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jimmy church on the game changer radio

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i need your help to get to the year

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i would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world all

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hither and tether to and fro back and

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this is fade to black for kjcr the game

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changer and nx networks

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raise hobbs

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i'm your host jimmy church what is

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cracking everybody how you doing what a

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great week on the show

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and continuing tonight nick pope is here

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we're going to be talking about

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well a little bit of everything tonight

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with a focus on government ufo programs

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that are going on around the world we'll

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touch into that and

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get caught up on stuff it's been about a

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has been on the show we chat we talk all

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uh it's been about a year so we got a

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lot of stuff to get caught up on tonight

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uh tomorrow night

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is another fader night with open lines

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all night long

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all right now i have been telling

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everybody you know some of my big news

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because next month coming up in two

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weeks tuesday night august 16th

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i will be at upars here in los angeles

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and uh it's been two years since you

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parse has had a meeting just like the

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and uh it's kicking off again tuesday

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and yes i'll be speaking i'm gonna have

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i'll take out a couple of fader knots

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that that are

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nothing like a t-shirt cannon

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so that's going down tuesday night

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for tickets and info it's going to be

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that's it so if you live in los angeles

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tuesday night august 16th that is where

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right here in studio city california

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and then the weekend of september 16th i

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one night in joshua tree and another

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a very cool exclusive evening and if you

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i don't know if it's possible now but uh

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visit forbiddenclub.com

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and mint 10 nfts and get your black card

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show you my black heart i've got i'm a

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black card holder i'm a forbidden

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black card holder get your black card

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and get your invitation

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to the private

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announcement about that in in a couple

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in april and uh so i'll get everything

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about that up tomorrow night for fader

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night and we'll do a big announcement

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with that and where to go for your

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tickets and information

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and uh it's a cruise that departs out of

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conscious life expo coming up

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i can't wait for that announcement and

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that is that's coming up here pretty

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quick okay all right now uh a few other

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things i want you to get your free

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membership to the unex network did you

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guys see margie k last night on tv i did

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i saw that i saw her post today too on

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yeah but our very own margie k

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that was so really cool very very cool

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to see her and i want you to get your

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membership free membership to the nx

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network all you have to do is go to

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and you're going to get all the cool

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stuff it's free you're going to get the

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free monthly newsletter you're going to

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get blog access you're going to get

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event notices you're going to get a free

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digital copy of their quarterly magazine

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and this month's issue

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is all about time travel and i'm going

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to tell you about my t-shirt

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here in just a minute

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and also i've got to get this in

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from you fader knots talking about your

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new thunder

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thunderstorms and right now the

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thunderstorm three pack special is going

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on you buy three you save 200 you get

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three one for your car

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one for your bathroom one for your

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kitchen wherever you've got those odors

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thunderstorm and it it kills viruses it

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smells great it's quiet it's running

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sitting right here in it

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it's right here next to me

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it is awesome it's usb by the way check

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that out it's usb you can plug it in the

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and uh i've got one in my home gym i've

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got one in the car i've got one in the

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kitchen i've got one in the bunker

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get your thunderstorms now and the promo

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code for that is fader 3. that's all you

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got to do fader 3

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eden pure

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below they're over on the website

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and uh visit our sponsors that's why

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and uh there you go okay all right visit

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all of our sponsors today let's get to

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the breaking news crazy news day today

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i'm going to start off with this 170

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300 years it's called the lulu rose the

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diamond was found at the lulo alluvial

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diamond mine the mine's owner uh lucapa

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diamond company announced everything

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lulo is an alluvial mine which means the

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if the stones are getting into the

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riverbed if that's where they're found

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into the river where are they coming

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that's what you want to go and check out

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i would say that that would save some

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time well it was uh released today

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that a massive tsunami

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destroyed the spanish city of seville in

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the third century all of this according

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to a new study released today a team of

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european archaeologists say a gigantic

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tidal wave traveled more than 25 miles

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destroying the roman port city of his

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palace which is

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the report was authored by experts from

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universities in spain france germany and

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the united states and was published in

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natural science in archaeology

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absolutely incredible they didn't know

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what happened now they know

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and uh if you go and you read the press

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release on this it's pretty interesting

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certain date and everything stops and

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then it continues it's because it all

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it's pretty incredible

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all right now uh this

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this is pretty incredible uh i've got

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mars in the news

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a mysterious discovery

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of a concentrated chunk of tridemite

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tridemite is quartz

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which is extremely rare here on earth

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they found it in the gale crater region

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of mars by the curiosity rover back in

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2016.

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now it's finally been explained by

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researchers a team of planetary

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scientists from rice university nasa's

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johnson space center and the california

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institute of technology of course

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caltech believe that the concentrated

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chunk of tridemite was spewed into the

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gale crater by a volcano when it was

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still filled with water

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about 1 billion years ago it's

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absolutely incredible yes and tridemite

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is rare

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all right human footprints

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believed to date from the end of the

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last ice age

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have been discovered on the salt flats

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of the air force's utah testing and

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training range the uttr

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by cornell researcher thomas urban

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in uh some forthcoming research now

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urban and daryn duke

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of far western anthropo anthropo

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[Laughter]

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anthropological research group were

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driving to an archaeological hearth site

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at uttr

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when urban spotted what appeared to be

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ghost tracks

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tracks that appear suddenly for a short

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time when moisture conditions are right

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and then disappear again

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all right they excavated a subset of the

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print

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confirming that they were barefoot and

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that they were additional unseen prints

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all together

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88 footprints were documented including

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both adults and children

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since there haven't been any wetland

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conditions in at least 10 000 years at

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the great salt lake desert

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that all indications are the prints are

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likely more than 12 000 years old

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absolutely incredible well the existence

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of the loch ness monster

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is plausible

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a british university has concluded and

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the reports have been released

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scientists

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found fossils of small plesiosaurs

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long-necked marine reptiles from the age

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of dinosaurs in a 100 million year old

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river system in morocco's sahara desert

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the findings suggest that the reptiles

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may have lived in fresh water

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images and eyewitness accounts have

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suggested that the beast has a long neck

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and a small head similar to a plesiosaur

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however

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skeptics have argued that plesiosaurs

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could not have lived in loch ness

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because they need a salt water

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environment well all of that has been

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nixon aid

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you gotta love it

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all right also today i'm going to cover

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this more in depth tomorrow

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ross cosmos

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has back pedaled

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they announced yesterday that they were

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pulling out of the international space

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station

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that was yesterday today they said

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not so fast

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we're gonna hang out till at least 2028

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and there's more to this story and and

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why

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russia moscow putin they don't they

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don't normally backtrack

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but they are now and i'm going to do a

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deep dive into this tomorrow let's get

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this show cracking

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on this day in history

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1949

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the world's first jet airliner

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the british de havilland comet

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makes its maiden test flight in england

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just 45 years after the wright brothers

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first flight in kitty hawk

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north carolina now to put this in

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context

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40 here we are in 2022 what's 45 years

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ago 1980

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right you know 40 years

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45 years 42 years

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kitty hawk

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the wright brothers a bicycle gas motor

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cloth wings

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and flying for 150 feet 300 feet

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whatever they did on that beach

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and it was incredible no doubt about it

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but that 45 years later

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jet airliners commercial air commercial

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jet air that's incredible to me

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that's that's insanity but it went down

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on this day in 1949 fader fact

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all right here you go

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now i've known this since i was a kid

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but uh it caught my attention today and

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i just went back and and did some

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research and went well they never fixed

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the gap

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they didn't

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it's impossible to drive

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from north to south america

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because there are no roads between

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panama

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and colombia the pan-american highway

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starts in the united states texas border

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goes all the way through

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central america goes all the way down

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costa rica panama

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ends

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it continues back on the other side of

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the border in columbia and you can go

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all the way down

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if you can almost drive to the south

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pole you can almost drive to antarctica

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but the pattern american highway

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has a 66 mile gap between ya visa panama

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and turbo colombia you can't drive

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straight through you got to put your car

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in a ferry

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that's what you got to do

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you can't drive through isn't that crazy

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there's a lot of reasons

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why you can't

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but it's just 66 miles

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but there's no road connecting

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north and south america

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there you go all right tonight we

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welcome very special guest nick pope is

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here we're going to talk about

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government ufo programs and tomorrow

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is another fader night with open lines

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all night long

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all right now it's time for me to hit

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this river moon coffee

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oh yeah

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now um

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there's a fate or not

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that has just arrived on the west coast

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his name is ken priest

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and uh

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and there's no way that that ken and i

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are not going to get together and

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and and raise a little cane all right

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we're going to throw down and so

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uh

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you know i set things up

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and

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friday night i'm going to get together

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with ken priest and i've been i've been

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debating what i want to do with this

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what do i want to do do i want to live

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stream

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to

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i mean the

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the

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american horror story

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things that are going to go down right

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do do we do we do a live stream well we

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might

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but um and i've been thinking about that

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and so ken and and i are are going to

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get together um

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and

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there's there's some things that i want

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to say about this but here here's the

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deal

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um

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i said to kate so so uh what are we

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gonna eat

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i said ken

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you're out here opening

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you're gonna bring biscuits right and he

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goes

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of course i said that's what we're

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having i'm not cooking i'm gonna have

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i have my rise hat

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and uh friday night uh i'm gonna live

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stream

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some blueberry biscuits from rise uh for

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all of you fader knots it's gonna be

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great now um let me uh let me tell you

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can you see it hold on for a second

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let me do this i'm i i'm not looking at

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you think that i'm looking at myself i

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am not i have a blank screen in front of

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me i have i have notes and things ah

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there i am okay

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let me tell you about this t-shirt

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you see that

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should i stand should i stand

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okay you got it

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oh man i feel like i'm working out

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you're probably wondering

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let me tell you about this t-shirt

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to john teeter

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t-shirt

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and uh i sought this out i got it

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and today

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as i put it on i i i ended up

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now i know i just did a show on time

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travel

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and

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i did a segment on

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on john teeter

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and if you go back uh into the archives

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deep ten years ago

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on fade to black i did a lot of shows

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larry haber you know john teeter's

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attorney

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um and uh the whole cast of characters

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uh that was in and around

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uh the john teeter story

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um from many different uh i had uh the

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original uh uh web guy uh for teeter and

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and stuff on the show and i've done a

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lot and then what happened after that

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um

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i just as so many john teeters

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approached me

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uh

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from all over the place i'm the real

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john teeter had about half a dozen of

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them and then i got contacted by

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i don't know i'm gonna say a half a

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dozen is somewhere in there

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uh from different people claiming

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to have

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created the john teeter story

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from different parts of the country

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different parts of l.a

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uh nobody's connected to each other they

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all had their own version of how they

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did it and who they did it with all of

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them couldn't be right

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um

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and in fact i don't i didn't believe any

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of them actually

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um but uh but anyway

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so today i you know put on the chair and

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and i started going into the archives

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and i have tremendous amounts of john

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teeter notes and and things and images

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uh i've got

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all of his posts

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and i've got a few different versions of

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the archives

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um i have screen grabs and original file

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downloads from from

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all of the uh websites and forums

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that hosted and posted the stuff

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and so today i started reading through

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it

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and now

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here's here's the trip with this

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when everything was going down 1999 2000

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2001 when everything was going down i

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was reading that in real time and and

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posting comments and questions and and

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stuff not a lot of

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of interaction i was i was doing a lot

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of reading

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but um

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i read it with a certain mindset

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and and i'll say this

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um

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i

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on technology and computers and the

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ideas behind this and also physics and

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and and how time travel could happen and

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and i read it with the certain minds i t

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so today 2022

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i go back in and i didn't read all of it

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because it would take a month uh to do

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that but i was scanning through and

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i'm

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of a believer in john teeter today than

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i was back then

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and you read it with a fresh set of eyes

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and especially with

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the knowledge base that i have now in

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science

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and physics and the things that i know

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today

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and and i read it i

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ah

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nobody's been caught

574
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here's the thing

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did an actual time traveler

576
00:27:02,230 --> 00:27:00,400
hang out with all of us on the internet

577
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in 2000

578
00:27:06,630 --> 00:27:04,240
ask me anything that was the original

579
00:27:07,990 --> 00:27:06,640
ask me anything too by the way

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and

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replies in both the scientific aspect

582
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but also a real world like this is my

583
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life it was written like that

584
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it didn't seem scripted

585
00:27:30,389 --> 00:27:28,320
and and i went back today and you know

586
00:27:32,310 --> 00:27:30,399
wearing my shirt i'm in the time john

587
00:27:34,310 --> 00:27:32,320
teeter time travel mode i'm going

588
00:27:35,830 --> 00:27:34,320
through all of it i'm reading it and i'm

589
00:27:39,430 --> 00:27:35,840
thinking to myself

590
00:27:40,950 --> 00:27:39,440
am i really this gullible

591
00:27:44,310 --> 00:27:40,960
am i really

592
00:27:47,269 --> 00:27:44,320
buying into this this easily

593
00:27:50,470 --> 00:27:47,279
has somebody crafted something so

594
00:27:52,549 --> 00:27:50,480
ingenious so smart

595
00:27:53,510 --> 00:27:52,559
uh so simple

596
00:28:00,149 --> 00:27:53,520
that

597
00:28:01,990 --> 00:28:00,159
teeter but just about this community

598
00:28:05,029 --> 00:28:02,000
that i could just take it hook line and

599
00:28:05,830 --> 00:28:05,039
sinker am i that gullible

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and

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the answer is yes

602
00:28:14,789 --> 00:28:11,120
if it's fake and somebody

603
00:28:17,750 --> 00:28:14,799
uh uh wrote that stuff out and then

604
00:28:20,789 --> 00:28:17,760
posted it because it would have have to

605
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have been thought through completely

606
00:28:25,430 --> 00:28:23,360
um for so many different

607
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levels and areas

608
00:28:30,070 --> 00:28:27,279
um it would have to have been thought

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through

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if it's fake

611
00:28:37,669 --> 00:28:33,600
it's incredible

612
00:28:41,350 --> 00:28:37,679
owe it to yourself

613
00:28:42,389 --> 00:28:41,360
to just go and and google search john

614
00:28:44,710 --> 00:28:42,399
teeter

615
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and and check out the original stuff and

616
00:28:49,990 --> 00:28:47,120
go through read the questions

617
00:28:51,350 --> 00:28:50,000
read the answers uh read all of it from

618
00:28:53,590 --> 00:28:51,360
the beginning to the end when he says

619
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goodbye i gotta go i'm leaving

620
00:28:58,950 --> 00:28:56,000
um re read it all

621
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and and you tell me what you think

622
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you know and and maybe you will be so

623
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inclined

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to go and get yourself a t-shirt

625
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you know i want to be able to

626
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uh the other day was yesterday i was i

627
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was at the market and you know nasa's

628
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right down the street from my house

629
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and there was a lady in front of me in

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line with a nasa t-shirt on and

631
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you know um

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obviously a mom could be a scientist for

633
00:29:27,909 --> 00:29:25,919
all i i don't know but she got a nasty

634
00:29:30,710 --> 00:29:27,919
t-shirt on but i noticed it and i

635
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recognized it and she caught me uh you

636
00:29:34,710 --> 00:29:32,240
know looking at her shirt for a second

637
00:29:35,510 --> 00:29:34,720
it was like a big nastle it was cool

638
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shirt

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anyway

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well will somebody come up to me in

641
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public

642
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and recognize this and go hey teeter

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right

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john teeter

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go and do the google search

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it's the gift that keeps on giving

647
00:30:01,549 --> 00:29:57,760
here we are in 2022 it's been 22 years

648
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and nobody's been caught it has not been

649
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unraveled

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this is fade to black i am your host

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jimmy church our guest tonight nick pope

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he is here

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we are going to do a deep dive into

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government ufo programs all around the

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world we're going to be talking about a

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lot of other stuff he just got back from

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roswell the 75th anniversary there we

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might touch upon that

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the events that were going down and

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everything else there might be some avi

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loeb

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in the conversation tonight too as well

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i'm your host jimmy church

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this is fade to black i want to remind

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everybody tomorrow night

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is another fader night with open lines

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all night long i'll be right back after

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this short break with tonight's guest

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nick pope stay with us i'll be right

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hi this is rob reiner from anvil and

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you're listening to jimmy's church radio

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what's up i'm chris what up this is

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jimmy church radio

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welcome back fade to black i am your

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host jimmy church tonight nick pope is

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with us tomorrow night is another fader

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night

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nick is here

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we're going to be discussing government

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new phone programs that may be going on

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all around the world as we move closer

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to disclosure and we'll be talking about

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some other stuff too as well it's been a

789
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while since nick has been on the show

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with us he's an author he's a journalist

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tv personality he used to run the

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british government's ufo project at the

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ministry of defense

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initially skeptical his research and

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investigation into the ufo phenomenon

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and access to classified government

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files on the subject

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soon convinced him that the phenomenon

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raised important defense and national

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security issues especially with when the

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witnesses were military pilots or where

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ufos were tracked on radar

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his website is

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00:37:34,790 --> 00:37:32,400
nickpope.net and i would like to welcome

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00:37:36,870 --> 00:37:34,800
back to fade to black it's been too long

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00:37:39,589 --> 00:37:36,880
the one and only nick pope there he is

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how you doing nick hey jimmy uh yeah

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00:37:45,510 --> 00:37:41,839
good here uh great to be back on the

809
00:37:47,670 --> 00:37:45,520
show um welcome and welcome fader

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00:37:49,270 --> 00:37:47,680
naughts great to be back with you all

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00:37:50,710 --> 00:37:49,280
right now man right now

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right on uh

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00:37:53,910 --> 00:37:52,079
you know

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00:37:56,950 --> 00:37:53,920
i don't know why

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uh because you and i talk often um i i

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don't know why it's been a year it

817
00:38:04,390 --> 00:38:01,680
doesn't make any sense to me nick uh but

818
00:38:06,870 --> 00:38:04,400
but welcome back and i will say this in

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00:38:08,950 --> 00:38:06,880
in your defense in your mod in your

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00:38:12,310 --> 00:38:08,960
ministry of defense and defense you've

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00:38:15,510 --> 00:38:12,320
been very very busy and we've tried to

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00:38:17,190 --> 00:38:15,520
book shows but uh you you've been out

823
00:38:20,150 --> 00:38:17,200
doing stuff around the country and

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00:38:21,990 --> 00:38:20,160
ancient aliens and and we just today was

825
00:38:24,069 --> 00:38:22,000
like the first time

826
00:38:26,470 --> 00:38:24,079
that we could uh you know finally get

827
00:38:30,230 --> 00:38:26,480
you back on the show so welcome back

828
00:38:34,790 --> 00:38:30,240
and uh you know what i i want to ask you

829
00:38:37,910 --> 00:38:34,800
a question um that i've asked you

830
00:38:39,910 --> 00:38:37,920
uh probably 10 years ago um

831
00:38:42,390 --> 00:38:39,920
and i've never really followed up on it

832
00:38:45,190 --> 00:38:42,400
but i want to circle back to some old

833
00:38:47,589 --> 00:38:45,200
school stuff and that is

834
00:38:49,750 --> 00:38:47,599
the frigging picture that

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00:38:52,950 --> 00:38:49,760
was hanging in your office back in the

836
00:38:55,430 --> 00:38:52,960
day right and then i think you said you

837
00:39:00,470 --> 00:38:55,440
walked in one day and it was gone right

838
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and and for you it was the picture and

839
00:39:04,870 --> 00:39:03,200
it it showed a craft uh in the uk that

840
00:39:07,750 --> 00:39:04,880
was taken by

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00:39:09,990 --> 00:39:07,760
uh a couple of why were they kids it

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doesn't matter at this point they they

843
00:39:15,670 --> 00:39:13,359
were uh no they they were uh well let's

844
00:39:17,750 --> 00:39:15,680
call them hikers hikers that's what

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00:39:18,550 --> 00:39:17,760
they're hikers kids you know the same

846
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thing

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00:39:22,230 --> 00:39:20,720
hiking smoking weed is probably what

848
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they were doing anyway

849
00:39:25,910 --> 00:39:23,280
um

850
00:39:29,030 --> 00:39:25,920
and and the picture

851
00:39:31,589 --> 00:39:29,040
has been described uh by you and and

852
00:39:32,870 --> 00:39:31,599
others like it was the

853
00:39:35,190 --> 00:39:32,880
picture

854
00:39:36,870 --> 00:39:35,200
but it disappeared

855
00:39:38,470 --> 00:39:36,880
did you ever find out what happened to

856
00:39:41,109 --> 00:39:38,480
it

857
00:39:43,670 --> 00:39:41,119
well in one sense i know exactly what

858
00:39:45,349 --> 00:39:43,680
happened to it my head of division

859
00:39:47,910 --> 00:39:45,359
took it down

860
00:39:50,870 --> 00:39:47,920
uh it had been on our office wall for

861
00:39:53,190 --> 00:39:50,880
for about uh three years

862
00:39:57,589 --> 00:39:53,200
he took it down because he had convinced

863
00:39:59,270 --> 00:39:57,599
himself that it could only be

864
00:40:01,750 --> 00:39:59,280
some sort of secret

865
00:40:05,829 --> 00:40:01,760
prototype hypersonic

866
00:40:07,109 --> 00:40:05,839
probably united states aircraft because

867
00:40:09,270 --> 00:40:07,119
in his

868
00:40:11,030 --> 00:40:09,280
world view

869
00:40:13,190 --> 00:40:11,040
it was either that or it was a place he

870
00:40:16,470 --> 00:40:13,200
didn't want to go and he did not want to

871
00:40:19,349 --> 00:40:16,480
go that other place so he took it down

872
00:40:20,470 --> 00:40:19,359
he locked it in his safe

873
00:40:22,710 --> 00:40:20,480
and

874
00:40:25,670 --> 00:40:22,720
when the british government declassified

875
00:40:29,109 --> 00:40:25,680
and released the files that would have

876
00:40:30,950 --> 00:40:29,119
contained that that material

877
00:40:35,109 --> 00:40:30,960
the pictures were gone

878
00:40:39,270 --> 00:40:35,119
he had retired the the trail had gone

879
00:40:41,990 --> 00:40:39,280
cold the suspicion was that

880
00:40:43,190 --> 00:40:42,000
believing himself to be

881
00:40:46,390 --> 00:40:43,200
loyal

882
00:40:47,910 --> 00:40:46,400
and and patriotic um

883
00:40:49,430 --> 00:40:47,920
and and

884
00:40:51,670 --> 00:40:49,440
kind of not wanting to put the u.s

885
00:40:52,790 --> 00:40:51,680
government because that's that's what he

886
00:40:54,230 --> 00:40:52,800
thought we were dealing with in a

887
00:40:55,670 --> 00:40:54,240
difficult position he probably put it

888
00:40:58,230 --> 00:40:55,680
through the shredder but there were

889
00:40:59,990 --> 00:40:58,240
multiple copies that this was the point

890
00:41:01,750 --> 00:41:00,000
and there were multiple copies every

891
00:41:02,950 --> 00:41:01,760
time i went over

892
00:41:04,550 --> 00:41:02,960
to speak

893
00:41:06,550 --> 00:41:04,560
to

894
00:41:09,510 --> 00:41:06,560
my opposite number in defense

895
00:41:11,829 --> 00:41:09,520
intelligence or the radar people they

896
00:41:13,670 --> 00:41:11,839
would kind of have their own copies on

897
00:41:16,309 --> 00:41:13,680
the wall or they would pull it out of a

898
00:41:19,589 --> 00:41:16,319
file during a briefing so

899
00:41:22,230 --> 00:41:19,599
you know some years later

900
00:41:24,630 --> 00:41:22,240
i i got together and i said look this is

901
00:41:26,470 --> 00:41:24,640
crazy we need to we need to kind of

902
00:41:28,710 --> 00:41:26,480
we're not going to get the picture

903
00:41:30,069 --> 00:41:28,720
back we're not going to get that out of

904
00:41:31,829 --> 00:41:30,079
the system though i'll tell you

905
00:41:35,109 --> 00:41:31,839
something interesting in a minute about

906
00:41:37,829 --> 00:41:35,119
that but let's recreate it and so we

907
00:41:40,069 --> 00:41:37,839
recreated it for a tv show actually i

908
00:41:43,349 --> 00:41:40,079
got together with a graphic artist based

909
00:41:45,270 --> 00:41:43,359
in la we did a recreation based off a

910
00:41:48,790 --> 00:41:45,280
mixture of my memory

911
00:41:50,790 --> 00:41:48,800
some uh material in the declassified

912
00:41:53,670 --> 00:41:50,800
files that they had released

913
00:41:55,349 --> 00:41:53,680
and what's interesting about the now if

914
00:41:57,430 --> 00:41:55,359
you look this up on the internet and

915
00:42:00,710 --> 00:41:57,440
it's called the calvine

916
00:42:03,109 --> 00:42:00,720
incident c-a-l-v-i-n-e

917
00:42:05,430 --> 00:42:03,119
you will see that recreation because

918
00:42:07,190 --> 00:42:05,440
that's now almost universally used by

919
00:42:09,349 --> 00:42:07,200
the media some

920
00:42:12,069 --> 00:42:09,359
some of my former ministry defense

921
00:42:15,349 --> 00:42:12,079
colleagues who worked in my division

922
00:42:16,870 --> 00:42:15,359
stumbled across it on on social media

923
00:42:19,030 --> 00:42:16,880
and they said hey nick you got the

924
00:42:21,190 --> 00:42:19,040
original picture bag and i was like no

925
00:42:23,349 --> 00:42:21,200
no that's a recreation do you think it's

926
00:42:26,150 --> 00:42:23,359
a good one and they said it's spot on so

927
00:42:28,390 --> 00:42:26,160
we know we know we have a very very

928
00:42:31,349 --> 00:42:28,400
accurate recreation

929
00:42:33,910 --> 00:42:31,359
there is um i'm looking at the images

930
00:42:34,870 --> 00:42:33,920
now and there is

931
00:42:37,829 --> 00:42:34,880
uh

932
00:42:39,670 --> 00:42:37,839
what looks like the a copy of the

933
00:42:41,190 --> 00:42:39,680
original one and i've seen this picture

934
00:42:42,870 --> 00:42:41,200
before

935
00:42:45,829 --> 00:42:42,880
um

936
00:42:48,309 --> 00:42:45,839
uh with the fi okay the recreation is

937
00:42:49,829 --> 00:42:48,319
crystal clear this other one

938
00:42:52,309 --> 00:42:49,839
um

939
00:42:54,870 --> 00:42:52,319
i'm not sure

940
00:42:56,630 --> 00:42:54,880
but i'm wondering if this is the

941
00:42:59,190 --> 00:42:56,640
original picture you can tell it's a

942
00:43:01,750 --> 00:42:59,200
copy of a copy should i

943
00:43:03,270 --> 00:43:01,760
you want me to uh let me see

944
00:43:04,390 --> 00:43:03,280
yeah why don't you put it up and and

945
00:43:07,829 --> 00:43:04,400
then i'll tell you what you're looking

946
00:43:09,030 --> 00:43:07,839
at i can't do that i i hate it when they

947
00:43:10,470 --> 00:43:09,040
uh

948
00:43:12,390 --> 00:43:10,480
when they

949
00:43:15,430 --> 00:43:12,400
copyright this stuff

950
00:43:17,109 --> 00:43:15,440
okay let me see if this one will work no

951
00:43:20,790 --> 00:43:17,119
ah man

952
00:43:23,670 --> 00:43:20,800
okay let me try hold on i've got ways to

953
00:43:24,710 --> 00:43:23,680
do this if they're gonna play games with

954
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:24,720
me

955
00:43:30,390 --> 00:43:26,400
let's try

956
00:43:32,309 --> 00:43:30,400
this one and i'm sorry i wasn't more no

957
00:43:34,470 --> 00:43:32,319
wow everybody's got the actual

958
00:43:37,030 --> 00:43:34,480
photograph

959
00:43:41,829 --> 00:43:37,040
you know the men in black are obviously

960
00:43:44,710 --> 00:43:41,839
sabotaging your efforts yeah man

961
00:43:48,790 --> 00:43:44,720
this is not cool man

962
00:43:51,430 --> 00:43:48,800
this is not cool all right let me see

963
00:43:53,829 --> 00:43:51,440
if this will

964
00:43:57,190 --> 00:43:53,839
let me let me see i'm i'm going to see

965
00:43:59,829 --> 00:43:57,200
if uh there is a miracle happening and

966
00:44:02,550 --> 00:43:59,839
let me see if i can make this happen

967
00:44:04,630 --> 00:44:02,560
and so let me pull this up here

968
00:44:08,550 --> 00:44:04,640
and i'm going to pull this over here and

969
00:44:11,430 --> 00:44:08,560
since they are playing games with me all

970
00:44:14,950 --> 00:44:11,440
right so nick stay right there

971
00:44:18,230 --> 00:44:14,960
i mean look if they are going to do this

972
00:44:20,069 --> 00:44:18,240
i'm going to show you how angry i can be

973
00:44:22,390 --> 00:44:20,079
i can

974
00:44:25,270 --> 00:44:22,400
if they are going to do this

975
00:44:26,630 --> 00:44:25,280
then let's go like this let's go like

976
00:44:29,430 --> 00:44:26,640
this

977
00:44:33,910 --> 00:44:30,630
that

978
00:44:35,190 --> 00:44:33,920
is

979
00:44:37,910 --> 00:44:35,200
actually

980
00:44:40,309 --> 00:44:37,920
uh a very rough

981
00:44:42,069 --> 00:44:40,319
i mean it is a this is genuinely from

982
00:44:43,990 --> 00:44:42,079
the ministry defense file

983
00:44:45,910 --> 00:44:44,000
this this is a kind of

984
00:44:49,349 --> 00:44:45,920
uh let me put it this way and i may have

985
00:44:52,230 --> 00:44:49,359
to i may have to obscure a couple of

986
00:44:54,870 --> 00:44:52,240
details because the the

987
00:44:58,069 --> 00:44:54,880
the whys and the wherefores of of

988
00:45:00,230 --> 00:44:58,079
intelligence community imagery analysis

989
00:45:02,710 --> 00:45:00,240
are obviously classified let me just

990
00:45:05,910 --> 00:45:02,720
describe it as

991
00:45:09,430 --> 00:45:05,920
it is from the declassified mod file

992
00:45:11,109 --> 00:45:09,440
it is a photocopy of

993
00:45:15,270 --> 00:45:11,119
let me choose my words carefully i'll

994
00:45:16,829 --> 00:45:15,280
call it a view foil or um yeah anyway

995
00:45:19,109 --> 00:45:16,839
it's it's

996
00:45:22,710 --> 00:45:19,119
very and there's an interesting story

997
00:45:24,870 --> 00:45:22,720
behind that because for years i had said

998
00:45:26,790 --> 00:45:24,880
the pictures in the file and then they

999
00:45:28,950 --> 00:45:26,800
released that and everyone of course

1000
00:45:30,870 --> 00:45:28,960
says well it looks that's rubbish it

1001
00:45:32,790 --> 00:45:30,880
looks like a cartoon

1002
00:45:35,030 --> 00:45:32,800
and it does because it's a copy of a

1003
00:45:37,030 --> 00:45:35,040
copy of a copy of a copy you know but it

1004
00:45:39,910 --> 00:45:37,040
is kind of like the real thing

1005
00:45:42,550 --> 00:45:39,920
but it obviously doesn't give you

1006
00:45:44,790 --> 00:45:42,560
the slightest idea of what the real

1007
00:45:46,950 --> 00:45:44,800
thing looks like and now

1008
00:45:48,309 --> 00:45:46,960
with the joys of modern technology i'm

1009
00:45:52,309 --> 00:45:48,319
sure you're going to be able to find and

1010
00:45:54,550 --> 00:45:52,319
post the the recreation that i worked on

1011
00:45:55,829 --> 00:45:54,560
i'm going to pull that up now

1012
00:45:57,349 --> 00:45:55,839
and

1013
00:45:58,950 --> 00:45:57,359
there's a few different versions doing

1014
00:46:02,309 --> 00:45:58,960
the rounds

1015
00:46:05,349 --> 00:46:02,319
and uh okay it's the same thing here

1016
00:46:07,670 --> 00:46:05,359
it's copy written uh you know it's okay

1017
00:46:11,270 --> 00:46:07,680
if that's what they want to do

1018
00:46:14,950 --> 00:46:11,280
then uh i'll break my own laws i will do

1019
00:46:17,510 --> 00:46:14,960
it i will do it right now and well the

1020
00:46:19,430 --> 00:46:17,520
funny thing is because i worked on the

1021
00:46:24,710 --> 00:46:19,440
recreation

1022
00:46:28,390 --> 00:46:26,950
and

1023
00:46:29,910 --> 00:46:28,400
that's the recreation

1024
00:46:31,430 --> 00:46:29,920
and

1025
00:46:33,910 --> 00:46:31,440
it's difficult to kind of put a

1026
00:46:35,190 --> 00:46:33,920
percentage on it but

1027
00:46:37,750 --> 00:46:35,200
um

1028
00:46:39,270 --> 00:46:37,760
i i i think it's somewhere between 90

1029
00:46:43,829 --> 00:46:39,280
and 95

1030
00:46:45,990 --> 00:46:43,839
accurate and as i say at least two other

1031
00:46:48,550 --> 00:46:46,000
uh ministry of defense officials who

1032
00:46:49,829 --> 00:46:48,560
worked in the same division as

1033
00:46:52,470 --> 00:46:49,839
myself

1034
00:46:55,349 --> 00:46:52,480
saw that recreation

1035
00:46:57,109 --> 00:46:55,359
and told me it was pretty much spot on

1036
00:47:00,069 --> 00:46:57,119
and they were people who were in and out

1037
00:47:02,470 --> 00:47:00,079
of of that office all the time so

1038
00:47:04,870 --> 00:47:02,480
can i ask you another question uh uh

1039
00:47:07,510 --> 00:47:04,880
about the recreation versus the original

1040
00:47:09,430 --> 00:47:07,520
photograph in the recreation here nick

1041
00:47:11,910 --> 00:47:09,440
i'll pull this up again where you've got

1042
00:47:14,069 --> 00:47:11,920
the terrain in the background here was

1043
00:47:15,910 --> 00:47:14,079
that in the original photograph is this

1044
00:47:18,390 --> 00:47:15,920
depicted like that

1045
00:47:21,030 --> 00:47:18,400
yes it was and that was very very

1046
00:47:22,549 --> 00:47:21,040
important because as you know if you if

1047
00:47:25,510 --> 00:47:22,559
you just have a

1048
00:47:28,470 --> 00:47:25,520
a ufo in a blank sky

1049
00:47:30,950 --> 00:47:28,480
you you it makes it very difficult to to

1050
00:47:34,230 --> 00:47:30,960
do any triangulation on it but when you

1051
00:47:37,589 --> 00:47:34,240
have the the foreground the background

1052
00:47:40,470 --> 00:47:37,599
in what you can do is you can can start

1053
00:47:42,549 --> 00:47:40,480
to because the topography is known i

1054
00:47:44,950 --> 00:47:42,559
mean the location is known

1055
00:47:48,630 --> 00:47:44,960
what you can do is you can you you can

1056
00:47:50,069 --> 00:47:48,640
then calculate uh how how far the object

1057
00:47:52,790 --> 00:47:50,079
was from

1058
00:47:53,990 --> 00:47:52,800
the the observers and the camera of

1059
00:47:55,910 --> 00:47:54,000
course

1060
00:47:58,390 --> 00:47:55,920
and you can triangulate and you can come

1061
00:48:01,270 --> 00:47:58,400
up with with some

1062
00:48:05,349 --> 00:48:01,280
broad brush but reasonable

1063
00:48:08,710 --> 00:48:05,359
estimates of the size of of the object

1064
00:48:11,430 --> 00:48:08,720
so and that's precisely what we did

1065
00:48:13,829 --> 00:48:11,440
again i i'm going to have to either omit

1066
00:48:15,589 --> 00:48:13,839
or obscure some details here because

1067
00:48:18,829 --> 00:48:15,599
anything that involves intelligence

1068
00:48:21,030 --> 00:48:18,839
community imagery analysis resources and

1069
00:48:23,270 --> 00:48:21,040
capabilities sense what did you come up

1070
00:48:25,190 --> 00:48:23,280
with uh the size of the craft what did

1071
00:48:28,390 --> 00:48:25,200
you guys determine

1072
00:48:31,990 --> 00:48:28,400
from memory i think it was 25

1073
00:48:33,670 --> 00:48:32,000
25 meters in diameter or something um

1074
00:48:35,829 --> 00:48:33,680
yeah it was

1075
00:48:37,990 --> 00:48:35,839
put it put it this way it's not it's not

1076
00:48:42,069 --> 00:48:38,000
a model that someone has thrown into the

1077
00:48:45,510 --> 00:48:42,079
air or dangled off of something

1078
00:48:48,309 --> 00:48:45,520
um and what about distance from the

1079
00:48:50,470 --> 00:48:48,319
hikers and and altitude were you able to

1080
00:48:54,710 --> 00:48:50,480
determine

1081
00:48:56,150 --> 00:48:54,720
you know i we were but i i don't want to

1082
00:48:58,069 --> 00:48:56,160
i don't want to completely guess

1083
00:48:59,510 --> 00:48:58,079
something i've genuinely

1084
00:49:01,430 --> 00:48:59,520
forgotten and don't have at my

1085
00:49:02,790 --> 00:49:01,440
fingertips

1086
00:49:04,549 --> 00:49:02,800
not secret it's just that you don't

1087
00:49:05,589 --> 00:49:04,559
remember no it's not secret it's just

1088
00:49:07,109 --> 00:49:05,599
that i can't

1089
00:49:09,670 --> 00:49:07,119
because

1090
00:49:11,109 --> 00:49:09,680
it looks pretty low to the ground

1091
00:49:13,510 --> 00:49:11,119
and

1092
00:49:14,710 --> 00:49:13,520
it looks like is that a hairier in the

1093
00:49:15,829 --> 00:49:14,720
background

1094
00:49:17,910 --> 00:49:15,839
um

1095
00:49:20,549 --> 00:49:17,920
yes it it is

1096
00:49:22,309 --> 00:49:20,559
okay so and was it a hairier in the

1097
00:49:24,150 --> 00:49:22,319
original photograph

1098
00:49:27,430 --> 00:49:24,160
uh yes i

1099
00:49:30,150 --> 00:49:27,440
i believe i can say it was i i i don't

1100
00:49:32,390 --> 00:49:30,160
think that's i i can't go into too much

1101
00:49:34,710 --> 00:49:32,400
too many details about

1102
00:49:37,349 --> 00:49:34,720
that aspect of it

1103
00:49:39,109 --> 00:49:37,359
however what i will say is this i mean

1104
00:49:41,670 --> 00:49:39,119
going back to the original story from

1105
00:49:43,430 --> 00:49:41,680
the the two individuals they they said

1106
00:49:45,510 --> 00:49:43,440
that this thing

1107
00:49:47,270 --> 00:49:45,520
was hovering

1108
00:49:50,230 --> 00:49:47,280
at fairly low

1109
00:49:52,630 --> 00:49:50,240
altitude and and then it

1110
00:49:55,270 --> 00:49:52,640
it actually and now you you probably

1111
00:49:58,630 --> 00:49:55,280
won't be able to to find or play this

1112
00:50:00,870 --> 00:49:58,640
but in slower time it's worth you can

1113
00:50:03,030 --> 00:50:00,880
probably find the original clip i think

1114
00:50:05,349 --> 00:50:03,040
it's on the daily express website but

1115
00:50:07,510 --> 00:50:05,359
there's a video recreation

1116
00:50:10,630 --> 00:50:07,520
where where they actually

1117
00:50:12,069 --> 00:50:10,640
uh recreated not just what it looks like

1118
00:50:15,109 --> 00:50:12,079
which you've just shown but the way in

1119
00:50:17,670 --> 00:50:15,119
which it moved now i think they may have

1120
00:50:19,190 --> 00:50:17,680
i think they may have shown it going off

1121
00:50:21,670 --> 00:50:19,200
um

1122
00:50:23,990 --> 00:50:21,680
horizontally whereas in fact it it

1123
00:50:26,470 --> 00:50:24,000
actually went off vertically but look

1124
00:50:28,150 --> 00:50:26,480
it's it's extremely accurate the

1125
00:50:31,510 --> 00:50:28,160
official position from the ministry of

1126
00:50:33,030 --> 00:50:31,520
defense is that they no longer have

1127
00:50:37,030 --> 00:50:33,040
any of those

1128
00:50:38,950 --> 00:50:37,040
photographs or negatives uh i mean

1129
00:50:42,069 --> 00:50:38,960
they they're somewhere look let me tell

1130
00:50:44,309 --> 00:50:42,079
you this i i suspect that

1131
00:50:45,750 --> 00:50:44,319
as we occasionally did with this subject

1132
00:50:47,990 --> 00:50:45,760
a lot of this probably went into the

1133
00:50:50,870 --> 00:50:48,000
private sector to take it outside the

1134
00:50:53,270 --> 00:50:50,880
scope of freedom of information act yeah

1135
00:50:55,190 --> 00:50:53,280
did and what about the hikers themselves

1136
00:50:56,390 --> 00:50:55,200
did they ever go public

1137
00:50:59,270 --> 00:50:56,400
no they didn't

1138
00:51:02,710 --> 00:50:59,280
and and why do you think that is

1139
00:51:04,950 --> 00:51:02,720
did the mod put the kibosh on it

1140
00:51:07,030 --> 00:51:04,960
i suspect someone put the fear of god

1141
00:51:10,390 --> 00:51:07,040
into

1142
00:51:12,630 --> 00:51:10,400
and them so this is a this is

1143
00:51:16,630 --> 00:51:12,640
this is the point where

1144
00:51:19,270 --> 00:51:16,640
as a host as an interviewer i get to ask

1145
00:51:20,630 --> 00:51:19,280
the ultimate question

1146
00:51:25,829 --> 00:51:20,640
why

1147
00:51:28,470 --> 00:51:25,839
into them about something like this if

1148
00:51:29,910 --> 00:51:28,480
it's visitors from outer space shouldn't

1149
00:51:31,430 --> 00:51:29,920
this this is what you've been fighting

1150
00:51:32,950 --> 00:51:31,440
for right this should be

1151
00:51:35,510 --> 00:51:32,960
this should be in the public domain and

1152
00:51:39,349 --> 00:51:35,520
we should know about it why why scare

1153
00:51:41,829 --> 00:51:39,359
the crap out of some hikers into silence

1154
00:51:44,710 --> 00:51:41,839
well let's put it this way whether this

1155
00:51:46,630 --> 00:51:44,720
was an extraterrestrial spacecraft

1156
00:51:48,150 --> 00:51:46,640
whether it was

1157
00:52:02,950 --> 00:51:48,160
a

1158
00:52:05,270 --> 00:52:02,960
you know this gets i suppose this gets

1159
00:52:07,829 --> 00:52:05,280
to the heart of i mean government

1160
00:52:09,430 --> 00:52:07,839
secrecy secrecy's hardwired into anyone

1161
00:52:11,030 --> 00:52:09,440
who works into the in the ministry of

1162
00:52:13,990 --> 00:52:11,040
defense and and

1163
00:52:15,430 --> 00:52:14,000
you know whichever of those things

1164
00:52:16,470 --> 00:52:15,440
we're dealing with

1165
00:52:32,549 --> 00:52:16,480
i

1166
00:52:34,870 --> 00:52:32,559
uh where we have come a long ways uh

1167
00:52:36,790 --> 00:52:34,880
since you left the mod we've come a long

1168
00:52:39,670 --> 00:52:36,800
ways in the last 10 years we've come

1169
00:52:40,950 --> 00:52:39,680
even further in the last five and you

1170
00:52:43,190 --> 00:52:40,960
know this

1171
00:52:45,510 --> 00:52:43,200
so at this point of the game why why

1172
00:52:48,150 --> 00:52:45,520
keep the lid on this if it's if it's

1173
00:52:49,030 --> 00:52:48,160
russian and chinese i get it but if it's

1174
00:52:52,710 --> 00:52:49,040
not

1175
00:52:54,790 --> 00:52:52,720
i think the time is is right

1176
00:52:55,750 --> 00:52:54,800
to to start discussing this and come

1177
00:52:58,069 --> 00:52:55,760
clean

1178
00:52:59,589 --> 00:52:58,079
about uh what is going on out there and

1179
00:53:00,549 --> 00:52:59,599
that's exactly what you've been fighting

1180
00:53:02,950 --> 00:53:00,559
for

1181
00:53:06,150 --> 00:53:02,960
sure well if it's if it's russian or

1182
00:53:09,670 --> 00:53:06,160
chinese we probably wouldn't want them

1183
00:53:11,670 --> 00:53:09,680
to know that we knew if it was our own

1184
00:53:12,950 --> 00:53:11,680
you know i us

1185
00:53:15,510 --> 00:53:12,960
uk

1186
00:53:18,390 --> 00:53:15,520
an ally then we wouldn't want

1187
00:53:19,670 --> 00:53:18,400
adversaries to know

1188
00:53:21,349 --> 00:53:19,680
the extent

1189
00:53:24,150 --> 00:53:21,359
the cutting edge of our

1190
00:53:25,829 --> 00:53:24,160
our aerospace technology and if it is

1191
00:53:28,950 --> 00:53:25,839
something else

1192
00:53:31,430 --> 00:53:28,960
we would want the technology first i

1193
00:53:34,309 --> 00:53:31,440
mean when you do imagery analysis

1194
00:53:36,790 --> 00:53:34,319
in in the the int world

1195
00:53:38,470 --> 00:53:36,800
what you're looking for is is yeah sure

1196
00:53:40,950 --> 00:53:38,480
you're looking for all those things like

1197
00:53:42,790 --> 00:53:40,960
how big is it and how high off the

1198
00:53:44,790 --> 00:53:42,800
ground is it and and things but what

1199
00:53:47,990 --> 00:53:44,800
you're really looking for is the

1200
00:53:49,829 --> 00:53:48,000
technical details how does it fly

1201
00:53:52,150 --> 00:53:49,839
does it have some sort of radical

1202
00:53:55,190 --> 00:53:52,160
propulsion system and if it does and

1203
00:53:58,150 --> 00:53:55,200
this is the 64 000 question if it does

1204
00:54:00,150 --> 00:53:58,160
and it is from somewhere else can we

1205
00:54:02,549 --> 00:54:00,160
figure out the tag

1206
00:54:04,950 --> 00:54:02,559
and replicate something

1207
00:54:08,069 --> 00:54:04,960
based around that tech before somebody

1208
00:54:09,670 --> 00:54:08,079
else does i mean look if you look we

1209
00:54:12,069 --> 00:54:09,680
i'm sure we're going to go on to discuss

1210
00:54:15,109 --> 00:54:12,079
a tip but if you look at

1211
00:54:18,790 --> 00:54:15,119
if you look at harry reid's

1212
00:54:21,030 --> 00:54:18,800
june 25th 2009

1213
00:54:22,150 --> 00:54:21,040
letter to the deputy secretary of

1214
00:54:25,910 --> 00:54:22,160
defense

1215
00:54:29,430 --> 00:54:25,920
it goes into that very point and it says

1216
00:54:32,230 --> 00:54:29,440
it says look um

1217
00:54:35,030 --> 00:54:32,240
technology and and things if an

1218
00:54:37,670 --> 00:54:35,040
adversary gets this this would be a

1219
00:54:40,390 --> 00:54:37,680
catastrophic

1220
00:54:42,789 --> 00:54:40,400
uh and and threat to the the united

1221
00:54:43,910 --> 00:54:42,799
states but if the united states gets

1222
00:54:46,470 --> 00:54:43,920
this

1223
00:54:49,750 --> 00:54:46,480
it will maintain the us in its

1224
00:54:54,470 --> 00:54:49,760
preeminent global position

1225
00:54:57,589 --> 00:54:55,430
but

1226
00:55:00,150 --> 00:54:57,599
yes it is it is it is there's always a

1227
00:55:01,589 --> 00:55:00,160
but um and before i get to the butt i

1228
00:55:04,150 --> 00:55:01,599
got to show you this

1229
00:55:08,470 --> 00:55:04,160
check out your screen i just noticed

1230
00:55:10,309 --> 00:55:08,480
pope at church ah yes i didn't think it

1231
00:55:12,309 --> 00:55:10,319
yeah i didn't think about that

1232
00:55:13,829 --> 00:55:12,319
i didn't think all these years we we

1233
00:55:16,309 --> 00:55:13,839
didn't take advantage of that that

1234
00:55:18,470 --> 00:55:16,319
that's a whole marketing something is

1235
00:55:20,549 --> 00:55:18,480
turning on and off my lights in the

1236
00:55:25,510 --> 00:55:20,559
studio aliens

1237
00:55:29,750 --> 00:55:26,630
and it

1238
00:55:31,589 --> 00:55:29,760
it's it's bizarre the remote control for

1239
00:55:34,470 --> 00:55:31,599
it is right here

1240
00:55:37,430 --> 00:55:34,480
it just and and it's just going on and

1241
00:55:39,589 --> 00:55:37,440
off and i'm gonna turn them completely

1242
00:55:41,910 --> 00:55:39,599
off they're dimming on their own

1243
00:55:44,150 --> 00:55:41,920
all right so i'm just gonna i'm gonna

1244
00:55:47,270 --> 00:55:44,160
jimmy i'm wondering who could be doing

1245
00:55:49,750 --> 00:55:47,280
that yeah that's nick man

1246
00:55:52,630 --> 00:55:49,760
okay uh that's it i'm not gonna get

1247
00:55:53,670 --> 00:55:52,640
distracted um but here's the thing

1248
00:55:55,589 --> 00:55:53,680
though

1249
00:55:57,829 --> 00:55:55,599
um

1250
00:56:00,470 --> 00:55:57,839
there is going to be

1251
00:56:02,630 --> 00:56:00,480
uh something and i don't know what it is

1252
00:56:04,950 --> 00:56:02,640
it might be avi loeb i don't know what

1253
00:56:06,710 --> 00:56:04,960
it is something is going to break that

1254
00:56:09,430 --> 00:56:06,720
is going to be out of the government's

1255
00:56:11,109 --> 00:56:09,440
control and everything that you just

1256
00:56:13,510 --> 00:56:11,119
mentioned technology we've had to keep

1257
00:56:15,670 --> 00:56:13,520
the lid on it and this and that which i

1258
00:56:17,109 --> 00:56:15,680
understand that but there's going to be

1259
00:56:20,309 --> 00:56:17,119
a point where

1260
00:56:22,950 --> 00:56:20,319
the world is going to go okay

1261
00:56:23,990 --> 00:56:22,960
now you have to start talking

1262
00:56:25,589 --> 00:56:24,000
and

1263
00:56:28,390 --> 00:56:25,599
wouldn't it be better just to get out in

1264
00:56:30,950 --> 00:56:28,400
front of it right now i would think

1265
00:56:33,270 --> 00:56:30,960
that the world is ready and and i think

1266
00:56:35,750 --> 00:56:33,280
that we can handle the news

1267
00:56:38,470 --> 00:56:35,760
i think we can but i go back to the

1268
00:56:40,549 --> 00:56:38,480
point that obviously there are there are

1269
00:56:42,069 --> 00:56:40,559
people sitting in in

1270
00:56:43,030 --> 00:56:42,079
sort of

1271
00:56:46,069 --> 00:56:43,040
dark

1272
00:56:48,789 --> 00:56:46,079
smoky rooms somewhere who say

1273
00:56:51,750 --> 00:56:48,799
yeah i get the people have a right to

1274
00:56:53,829 --> 00:56:51,760
know but if we could figure out the tech

1275
00:56:56,470 --> 00:56:53,839
before china and russia that would be a

1276
00:56:58,950 --> 00:56:56,480
good thing so let's not put everything

1277
00:57:00,710 --> 00:56:58,960
out there and and that's the mindset but

1278
00:57:03,589 --> 00:57:00,720
i look i will make you a prediction i

1279
00:57:05,589 --> 00:57:03,599
mentioned a tip um i will make you a

1280
00:57:06,789 --> 00:57:05,599
prediction

1281
00:57:08,829 --> 00:57:06,799
and yeah

1282
00:57:11,430 --> 00:57:08,839
there's a lot of there's a lot of

1283
00:57:14,710 --> 00:57:11,440
misunderstanding about the the calvin

1284
00:57:16,710 --> 00:57:14,720
incident and the the photo that you just

1285
00:57:19,910 --> 00:57:16,720
showed people people think that the

1286
00:57:22,789 --> 00:57:19,920
ministry of defense closed the file

1287
00:57:27,190 --> 00:57:22,799
un until the year i i can't remember

1288
00:57:30,150 --> 00:57:27,200
2076 or whatever it is that's not

1289
00:57:33,589 --> 00:57:30,160
technically true it's not true that in

1290
00:57:35,829 --> 00:57:33,599
the year 2076 they'll open that file and

1291
00:57:39,109 --> 00:57:35,839
that picture will come out

1292
00:57:41,349 --> 00:57:39,119
what what they're redacting in that file

1293
00:57:46,230 --> 00:57:41,359
is the names

1294
00:57:48,150 --> 00:57:46,240
addresses personal data of the witnesses

1295
00:57:51,510 --> 00:57:48,160
the photos they say are gone for good

1296
00:57:55,109 --> 00:57:51,520
but here's my point

1297
00:57:57,430 --> 00:57:55,119
i would and this is a prediction if

1298
00:57:59,670 --> 00:57:57,440
if that picture and there were six of

1299
00:58:02,069 --> 00:57:59,680
them by the way they shot off a roll of

1300
00:58:07,030 --> 00:58:05,030
if that picture ever reappears

1301
00:58:10,150 --> 00:58:07,040
it gets rediscovered

1302
00:58:12,230 --> 00:58:10,160
i would not bet against that happening

1303
00:58:15,109 --> 00:58:12,240
here in the united states

1304
00:58:19,349 --> 00:58:15,119
i would not be surprised if the atip and

1305
00:58:21,109 --> 00:58:19,359
orsa people had seen it i can't remember

1306
00:58:23,829 --> 00:58:21,119
i genuinely can't remember if i've

1307
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:23,839
discussed this with people like lou

1308
00:58:25,829 --> 00:58:24,250
um

1309
00:58:27,990 --> 00:58:25,839
[Music]

1310
00:58:29,910 --> 00:58:28,000
and and if i have i probably shouldn't

1311
00:58:32,470 --> 00:58:29,920
say whether he's seen it or not but look

1312
00:58:33,670 --> 00:58:32,480
would you would you bet against people

1313
00:58:35,510 --> 00:58:33,680
like

1314
00:58:37,990 --> 00:58:35,520
lou elizondo and chris mellon having

1315
00:58:40,789 --> 00:58:38,000
seen that picture i think i think that

1316
00:58:42,630 --> 00:58:40,799
picture went to the u.s

1317
00:58:45,190 --> 00:58:42,640
uh well i know it did

1318
00:58:48,470 --> 00:58:45,200
and and if it if it went to the right

1319
00:58:49,589 --> 00:58:48,480
people clearly it would have gotten into

1320
00:58:52,069 --> 00:58:49,599
to

1321
00:58:54,230 --> 00:58:52,079
some of the the atip

1322
00:58:54,950 --> 00:58:54,240
files now whether it's in this this kind

1323
00:58:56,789 --> 00:58:54,960
of

1324
00:58:59,430 --> 00:58:56,799
what what do they call it the bigelow

1325
00:59:01,670 --> 00:58:59,440
data warehouse or

1326
00:59:03,990 --> 00:59:01,680
the congress and you know the house

1327
00:59:06,870 --> 00:59:04,000
subcommittee and and the senate

1328
00:59:09,750 --> 00:59:06,880
intelligence committee have they seen it

1329
00:59:12,549 --> 00:59:09,760
um yeah pretty interesting yeah i'm not

1330
00:59:13,430 --> 00:59:12,559
sure they have but the people briefing

1331
00:59:16,150 --> 00:59:13,440
them

1332
00:59:18,390 --> 00:59:16,160
probably have and if they haven't they

1333
00:59:21,349 --> 00:59:18,400
jolly well should and they must have

1334
00:59:23,589 --> 00:59:21,359
access to it i'm pretty sure i look i

1335
00:59:26,549 --> 00:59:23,599
can't tell you exactly

1336
00:59:29,030 --> 00:59:26,559
where it ended up but but i know that i

1337
00:59:29,829 --> 00:59:29,040
know that copies were shared with the us

1338
00:59:35,309 --> 00:59:29,839
and

1339
00:59:39,190 --> 00:59:35,319
you know we've we've seen obviously the

1340
00:59:42,230 --> 00:59:39,200
declassification and release of of some

1341
00:59:44,870 --> 00:59:42,240
documents some photos and videos

1342
00:59:46,230 --> 00:59:44,880
all else i you know i'm not i'm not

1343
00:59:50,630 --> 00:59:46,240
saying this is definitely going to

1344
00:59:52,630 --> 00:59:50,640
happen but if that photo reappears

1345
00:59:54,789 --> 00:59:52,640
look for it here in the u.s look for it

1346
00:59:57,190 --> 00:59:54,799
coming out in one of the congressional

1347
00:59:58,870 --> 00:59:57,200
briefings maybe one of the classified

1348
01:00:00,470 --> 00:59:58,880
ones maybe it'll go into one of the

1349
01:00:02,470 --> 01:00:00,480
reports but

1350
01:00:04,870 --> 01:00:02,480
don't lose hope i don't think it's lost

1351
01:00:07,109 --> 01:00:04,880
forever that's an incredible photograph

1352
01:00:08,789 --> 01:00:07,119
incredible photograph nick uh let's take

1353
01:00:11,190 --> 01:00:08,799
our break right here

1354
01:00:12,710 --> 01:00:11,200
this is fade to black i am your host

1355
01:00:15,270 --> 01:00:12,720
jimmy church tonight nick pope we're

1356
01:00:18,549 --> 01:00:15,280
going to be talking about ufo government

1357
01:00:20,710 --> 01:00:18,559
ufo programs that may be going on right

1358
01:00:23,190 --> 01:00:20,720
now all around the world and a lot more

1359
01:00:24,710 --> 01:00:23,200
to get caught up on nick

1360
01:00:26,549 --> 01:00:24,720
it's been a year

1361
01:00:28,470 --> 01:00:26,559
we got a lot to talk about this is fade

1362
01:00:30,230 --> 01:00:28,480
to black i'm yours jimmy church

1363
01:00:32,900 --> 01:00:30,240
stay with us we'll be right back after

1364
01:00:38,830 --> 01:00:32,910
this short break

1365
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:53,750
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1366
01:00:59,440 --> 01:00:55,910
this is fade to black with jimmy church

1367
01:01:00,950 --> 01:00:59,450
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welcome back feed to black i am your

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01:05:40,230 --> 01:05:38,720
host jimmy church tonight nick pope is

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01:05:42,870 --> 01:05:40,240
with us

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it's been about a year i can't believe

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01:05:46,470 --> 01:05:44,400
it's been a year since

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01:05:48,309 --> 01:05:46,480
nick has been on with this we've got a

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01:05:49,589 --> 01:05:48,319
lot to get caught up on

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and

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01:05:55,270 --> 01:05:52,640
nick let's let's actually do a can let's

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01:05:56,710 --> 01:05:55,280
go bam bam bam let's see how quick we

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01:06:00,309 --> 01:05:56,720
can bang some of this stuff out let's go

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01:06:01,270 --> 01:06:00,319
back to may of this year and uh the

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01:06:04,950 --> 01:06:01,280
house

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01:06:07,510 --> 01:06:04,960
subcommittee hearing on ufos i know

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01:06:10,390 --> 01:06:07,520
you watched it live with the rest of us

1479
01:06:13,829 --> 01:06:10,400
um i'm sure you were a consultant

1480
01:06:16,390 --> 01:06:13,839
um uh what'd you think

1481
01:06:18,470 --> 01:06:16,400
you know i i have mixed feelings i heard

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01:06:21,589 --> 01:06:18,480
a lot of people say oh it was a bit of a

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01:06:23,990 --> 01:06:21,599
nothing burger i i disagree i mean like

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01:06:27,029 --> 01:06:24,000
like a lot of this the important thing

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01:06:29,990 --> 01:06:27,039
is not necessarily what's said but but

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01:06:32,390 --> 01:06:30,000
that it's being held at all

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01:06:35,190 --> 01:06:32,400
and and so that's the first thing

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01:06:36,710 --> 01:06:35,200
i i mean i think obviously

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01:06:39,349 --> 01:06:36,720
the bit that

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01:06:42,069 --> 01:06:39,359
that caught most people's eye

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01:06:44,950 --> 01:06:42,079
was was the bit where the the the

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01:06:47,829 --> 01:06:44,960
question about the the trans-medium

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01:06:49,670 --> 01:06:47,839
travel and and particularly the the

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01:06:52,549 --> 01:06:49,680
usos

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01:06:54,390 --> 01:06:52,559
and then you straight away got that

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01:06:56,309 --> 01:06:54,400
response well i think we'd better take

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01:06:57,829 --> 01:06:56,319
that in the closed classified section

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01:06:58,950 --> 01:06:57,839
afterwards so

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01:07:02,230 --> 01:06:58,960
that was

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01:07:05,670 --> 01:07:02,240
was interesting i think it was also what

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01:07:07,990 --> 01:07:05,680
what was telling about this and this has

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01:07:09,910 --> 01:07:08,000
kind of led to some of what's going on

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01:07:11,829 --> 01:07:09,920
now with the new language being put

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01:07:14,470 --> 01:07:11,839
forward in in the intelligence

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01:07:16,950 --> 01:07:14,480
authorization act for example what was

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01:07:19,029 --> 01:07:16,960
telling was that

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01:07:22,150 --> 01:07:19,039
the the dod and the intelligence

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01:07:23,510 --> 01:07:22,160
community is still trying to hold this

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01:07:26,549 --> 01:07:23,520
line

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01:07:30,549 --> 01:07:26,559
that all this started in 2004 with with

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01:07:32,710 --> 01:07:30,559
the nimitz incident and they're kind of

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01:07:37,190 --> 01:07:32,720
airbrushing out

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01:07:39,270 --> 01:07:37,200
the 75 year backstory here or or they're

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01:07:40,950 --> 01:07:39,280
trying so so when there was the

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01:07:42,390 --> 01:07:40,960
obviously the question

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01:07:44,230 --> 01:07:42,400
about maelstrom

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01:07:46,309 --> 01:07:44,240
i i don't think it they called it

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01:07:48,549 --> 01:07:46,319
maelstrom but it was clearly the

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01:07:50,950 --> 01:07:48,559
question about the alleged missile

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01:07:54,230 --> 01:07:50,960
shutdown at maelstrom air force base in

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01:07:56,789 --> 01:07:54,240
1967 and the the briefers kind of looked

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01:07:59,430 --> 01:07:56,799
at each other and it was like well uh i

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01:08:02,470 --> 01:07:59,440
don't think we have anything on that

1524
01:08:04,710 --> 01:08:02,480
well maybe maybe yeah we we've heard of

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01:08:05,750 --> 01:08:04,720
it but there's nothing

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01:08:08,069 --> 01:08:05,760
and so

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01:08:09,349 --> 01:08:08,079
so here here were the various

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01:08:12,789 --> 01:08:09,359
congressional

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01:08:14,630 --> 01:08:12,799
representatives trying to to probe for

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01:08:16,630 --> 01:08:14,640
information about what they rightly or

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01:08:18,309 --> 01:08:16,640
wrongly believed was was one of the

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01:08:21,030 --> 01:08:18,319
crown jewels

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01:08:22,950 --> 01:08:21,040
of of you know when you look at the the

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01:08:26,070 --> 01:08:22,960
cases over the years and there was a

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01:08:29,430 --> 01:08:26,080
kind of not sure don't know

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01:08:31,749 --> 01:08:29,440
response which has led to

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01:08:33,829 --> 01:08:31,759
well that's not good enough and as i say

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01:08:36,309 --> 01:08:33,839
that's now led to

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01:08:38,709 --> 01:08:36,319
the new language

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01:08:40,309 --> 01:08:38,719
for example that's gone into the uh

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01:08:42,470 --> 01:08:40,319
intelligence authorization act for

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01:08:44,870 --> 01:08:42,480
fiscal year 2023

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01:08:47,910 --> 01:08:44,880
which which basically tries to delve

1544
01:08:51,590 --> 01:08:47,920
into this back story and say look we're

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01:08:54,950 --> 01:08:51,600
not just interested in 2004 onwards

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01:08:56,709 --> 01:08:54,960
we want to know actually from june 1st

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01:08:57,990 --> 01:08:56,719
1947

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01:09:01,349 --> 01:08:58,000
onwards

1549
01:09:04,309 --> 01:09:01,359
who knows what what documents are held

1550
01:09:07,349 --> 01:09:04,319
what briefings have taken place what

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01:09:10,149 --> 01:09:07,359
information do we possess

1552
01:09:11,269 --> 01:09:10,159
uh what artifacts

1553
01:09:13,990 --> 01:09:11,279
if any

1554
01:09:17,910 --> 01:09:14,000
uh wreckage debris whatever it might be

1555
01:09:21,110 --> 01:09:17,920
do we have in our possession and and

1556
01:09:23,110 --> 01:09:21,120
tied to that the idea

1557
01:09:25,829 --> 01:09:23,120
of releasing people from their

1558
01:09:27,590 --> 01:09:25,839
non-disclosure agreements and and saying

1559
01:09:29,510 --> 01:09:27,600
people with knowledge of these programs

1560
01:09:32,070 --> 01:09:29,520
who think that they may still be bound

1561
01:09:34,229 --> 01:09:32,080
by their ndas uh you are now free to

1562
01:09:35,990 --> 01:09:34,239
speak so that that maybe people with

1563
01:09:38,870 --> 01:09:36,000
knowledge of historical programs can

1564
01:09:42,309 --> 01:09:38,880
come out so so the may hearing was a

1565
01:09:43,749 --> 01:09:42,319
springboard i it it won't be the last

1566
01:09:44,950 --> 01:09:43,759
public hearing

1567
01:09:45,910 --> 01:09:44,960
i'm i'm

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01:09:48,789 --> 01:09:45,920
certain

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01:09:51,749 --> 01:09:48,799
uh and as i say it's it's

1570
01:09:53,590 --> 01:09:51,759
served as a kind of springboard for

1571
01:09:54,310 --> 01:09:53,600
what's going on now

1572
01:09:57,350 --> 01:09:54,320
with

1573
01:09:59,669 --> 01:09:57,360
because of course you've got the

1574
01:10:01,990 --> 01:09:59,679
intelligence committees you've got the

1575
01:10:03,750 --> 01:10:02,000
armed services committees it's the house

1576
01:10:05,990 --> 01:10:03,760
and the senate what's in the

1577
01:10:08,870 --> 01:10:06,000
intelligence authorization act is likely

1578
01:10:11,510 --> 01:10:08,880
to be rolled into the national defense

1579
01:10:13,189 --> 01:10:11,520
authorization act and and so it's a it's

1580
01:10:15,910 --> 01:10:13,199
a bit of a mishmash and we're going to

1581
01:10:17,430 --> 01:10:15,920
see the usual between now and enactment

1582
01:10:18,870 --> 01:10:17,440
we're going to see the usual kind of

1583
01:10:20,310 --> 01:10:18,880
horse trading

1584
01:10:22,790 --> 01:10:20,320
taking place people are going to be

1585
01:10:24,950 --> 01:10:22,800
negotiating new bits are going to be put

1586
01:10:28,550 --> 01:10:24,960
in some bits are going to be struck out

1587
01:10:31,990 --> 01:10:28,560
uh but but it's i was encouraged and

1588
01:10:33,910 --> 01:10:32,000
it's it's the foundation of some very

1589
01:10:35,669 --> 01:10:33,920
important work which is going on

1590
01:10:39,030 --> 01:10:35,679
literally as we speak

1591
01:10:40,870 --> 01:10:39,040
do you feel that uh i i got a vibe i'm

1592
01:10:42,709 --> 01:10:40,880
just gonna make this quick because i

1593
01:10:45,830 --> 01:10:42,719
want to get to your response

1594
01:10:48,070 --> 01:10:45,840
um but there was a vibe uh coming from

1595
01:10:48,950 --> 01:10:48,080
moultrie and bray

1596
01:10:51,590 --> 01:10:48,960
that

1597
01:10:53,270 --> 01:10:51,600
they i think they attempted to phone it

1598
01:10:56,229 --> 01:10:53,280
in that they thought that they could

1599
01:10:58,630 --> 01:10:56,239
just come in talk about russia and china

1600
01:10:59,510 --> 01:10:58,640
and at technology and then get out of

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01:11:00,390 --> 01:10:59,520
there

1602
01:11:03,189 --> 01:11:00,400
and

1603
01:11:07,590 --> 01:11:03,199
there were members on the committee

1604
01:11:08,910 --> 01:11:07,600
that wanted to discuss ufos not uaps

1605
01:11:12,070 --> 01:11:08,920
they wanted to talk about

1606
01:11:14,709 --> 01:11:12,080
extraterrestrials visiting this planet

1607
01:11:17,510 --> 01:11:14,719
and bray and moultrie

1608
01:11:20,229 --> 01:11:17,520
uh were forced into that

1609
01:11:22,149 --> 01:11:20,239
when and i'm specifically talking about

1610
01:11:24,630 --> 01:11:22,159
representative welsh

1611
01:11:27,750 --> 01:11:24,640
when he said okay all right all right

1612
01:11:29,669 --> 01:11:27,760
all right but but but the universe is a

1613
01:11:31,750 --> 01:11:29,679
big place i'm paraphrasing but this is

1614
01:11:33,830 --> 01:11:31,760
what he said universe is a big place

1615
01:11:35,189 --> 01:11:33,840
what about extraterrestrials what about

1616
01:11:38,550 --> 01:11:35,199
e.t

1617
01:11:41,830 --> 01:11:38,560
visiting and and and bray and moultrie

1618
01:11:44,149 --> 01:11:41,840
uh did a little jaw flapping and welsh

1619
01:11:45,910 --> 01:11:44,159
came back with okay so are we going to

1620
01:11:48,070 --> 01:11:45,920
talk about e.t in the classified

1621
01:11:49,910 --> 01:11:48,080
briefing the this afternoon

1622
01:11:52,229 --> 01:11:49,920
you know and trying to bring this uh

1623
01:11:55,030 --> 01:11:52,239
back around to not

1624
01:11:56,790 --> 01:11:55,040
china and not russia this is a hearing

1625
01:11:59,189 --> 01:11:56,800
about ufos

1626
01:12:01,510 --> 01:11:59,199
right did you get that vibe too as well

1627
01:12:02,870 --> 01:12:01,520
that that they tried to

1628
01:12:05,350 --> 01:12:02,880
uh

1629
01:12:07,830 --> 01:12:05,360
get to get bray and moultrie on that

1630
01:12:09,270 --> 01:12:07,840
track and away from adversarial

1631
01:12:10,390 --> 01:12:09,280
positions

1632
01:12:13,189 --> 01:12:10,400
yes

1633
01:12:14,950 --> 01:12:13,199
and i think it i i have some sympathy

1634
01:12:16,870 --> 01:12:14,960
with them and of course i've been in

1635
01:12:18,870 --> 01:12:16,880
been in that kind of position myself

1636
01:12:19,910 --> 01:12:18,880
where you come into a

1637
01:12:22,630 --> 01:12:19,920
uh

1638
01:12:25,350 --> 01:12:22,640
you know a particular position and you

1639
01:12:27,030 --> 01:12:25,360
have to very quickly and i mentioned i

1640
01:12:30,870 --> 01:12:27,040
mentioned that this is a

1641
01:12:32,870 --> 01:12:30,880
a subject with a 75-year back story i

1642
01:12:34,630 --> 01:12:32,880
have huge sympathy for these people

1643
01:12:37,510 --> 01:12:34,640
because you come in

1644
01:12:39,750 --> 01:12:37,520
and you you get a briefing folder you

1645
01:12:41,270 --> 01:12:39,760
know from the subject matter experts and

1646
01:12:44,550 --> 01:12:41,280
it's like well here's the nimitz

1647
01:12:45,430 --> 01:12:44,560
incident uh here are the the three best

1648
01:12:49,430 --> 01:12:45,440
known

1649
01:12:51,430 --> 01:12:49,440
um navy videos flair go fast and gimbal

1650
01:12:53,910 --> 01:12:51,440
and and this is you know you get a few

1651
01:12:56,149 --> 01:12:53,920
things like that and then someone pulls

1652
01:12:58,149 --> 01:12:56,159
something out that that you didn't

1653
01:13:01,189 --> 01:12:58,159
expect and says oh what about the

1654
01:13:04,229 --> 01:13:01,199
keksburg case what about lonnie zamora

1655
01:13:06,790 --> 01:13:04,239
or or uh what about the the lights at

1656
01:13:08,229 --> 01:13:06,800
the castalon yeah what about rendlesham

1657
01:13:09,910 --> 01:13:08,239
what about randall

1658
01:13:10,950 --> 01:13:09,920
what about roswell

1659
01:13:13,910 --> 01:13:10,960
you know

1660
01:13:16,070 --> 01:13:13,920
yeah yeah so look i've i've got huge

1661
01:13:19,350 --> 01:13:16,080
sympathy because it's it's

1662
01:13:21,189 --> 01:13:19,360
it's a huge ask but look in one sense

1663
01:13:23,189 --> 01:13:21,199
they asked the wrong question

1664
01:13:26,070 --> 01:13:23,199
and and

1665
01:13:27,830 --> 01:13:26,080
i think if they had really wanted to pin

1666
01:13:29,590 --> 01:13:27,840
them down

1667
01:13:32,950 --> 01:13:29,600
what what they would have said

1668
01:13:35,990 --> 01:13:32,960
is is is this you know mr bray mr

1669
01:13:39,350 --> 01:13:36,000
moultrie answer me this

1670
01:13:41,750 --> 01:13:39,360
in the various theories that are

1671
01:13:44,229 --> 01:13:41,760
on the table

1672
01:13:46,390 --> 01:13:44,239
has the extraterrestrial hypothesis been

1673
01:13:48,870 --> 01:13:46,400
taken off the table

1674
01:13:50,470 --> 01:13:48,880
that would be question number one

1675
01:13:52,709 --> 01:13:50,480
question number two

1676
01:13:55,590 --> 01:13:52,719
speaking to your point would would be

1677
01:13:57,430 --> 01:13:55,600
okay i get that

1678
01:13:59,189 --> 01:13:57,440
there are there's an element and you

1679
01:14:01,030 --> 01:13:59,199
want to have the discussion about china

1680
01:14:02,870 --> 01:14:01,040
and russia that's fine we want to have

1681
01:14:04,950 --> 01:14:02,880
that discussion too

1682
01:14:07,990 --> 01:14:04,960
it's an important discussion

1683
01:14:11,350 --> 01:14:08,000
and the odni report published on june

1684
01:14:13,350 --> 01:14:11,360
25th 2021 said

1685
01:14:14,709 --> 01:14:13,360
there is not going to be a single neat

1686
01:14:17,189 --> 01:14:14,719
solution to this there are likely

1687
01:14:18,709 --> 01:14:17,199
multiple things going on so i i would

1688
01:14:21,590 --> 01:14:18,719
have asked it this way i would have said

1689
01:14:24,310 --> 01:14:21,600
mr bray mr moultrie

1690
01:14:29,110 --> 01:14:24,320
i want you to put these

1691
01:14:31,750 --> 01:14:29,120
five theories in order of

1692
01:14:32,709 --> 01:14:31,760
how you assess them

1693
01:14:35,830 --> 01:14:32,719
you know

1694
01:14:39,430 --> 01:14:35,840
your best current assessment first and

1695
01:14:41,750 --> 01:14:39,440
and then go down the league table

1696
01:14:45,669 --> 01:14:41,760
is this

1697
01:14:47,830 --> 01:14:45,679
number one some combination of pilot

1698
01:14:50,470 --> 01:14:47,840
misperception

1699
01:14:52,630 --> 01:14:50,480
radar glitch and forward-looking

1700
01:14:55,350 --> 01:14:52,640
infrared camera error

1701
01:14:56,790 --> 01:14:55,360
is it number two our own

1702
01:15:05,430 --> 01:14:56,800
tech

1703
01:15:06,709 --> 01:15:05,440
aircraft missiles drones

1704
01:15:08,950 --> 01:15:06,719
number four

1705
01:15:10,550 --> 01:15:08,960
is it extraterrestrial number five is it

1706
01:15:12,630 --> 01:15:10,560
something else and and i would have said

1707
01:15:14,709 --> 01:15:12,640
all right i want one two three four five

1708
01:15:16,630 --> 01:15:14,719
because look

1709
01:15:18,950 --> 01:15:16,640
even if they are being truthful when

1710
01:15:21,030 --> 01:15:18,960
they say we don't know

1711
01:15:24,470 --> 01:15:21,040
there will be

1712
01:15:27,189 --> 01:15:24,480
a best current assessment and there will

1713
01:15:28,149 --> 01:15:27,199
be a hierarchy

1714
01:15:29,590 --> 01:15:28,159
of

1715
01:15:30,790 --> 01:15:29,600
assessments

1716
01:15:34,149 --> 01:15:30,800
cia

1717
01:15:34,790 --> 01:15:34,159
for example for decades

1718
01:15:44,390 --> 01:15:34,800
as

1719
01:15:45,669 --> 01:15:44,400
estimative probability

1720
01:15:48,390 --> 01:15:45,679
so

1721
01:15:51,350 --> 01:15:48,400
yeah and and this dates back to the

1722
01:15:54,470 --> 01:15:51,360
vietnam war and an infamous

1723
01:15:56,709 --> 01:15:54,480
infamous briefing where somebody started

1724
01:15:58,310 --> 01:15:56,719
throwing around phrases like well the

1725
01:16:00,709 --> 01:15:58,320
vietcong

1726
01:16:03,110 --> 01:16:00,719
probably have an airfield here and this

1727
01:16:07,270 --> 01:16:03,120
could be and you know you throw around

1728
01:16:09,669 --> 01:16:07,280
these things might could uh possible

1729
01:16:11,189 --> 01:16:09,679
probable and everyone comes out with a

1730
01:16:13,510 --> 01:16:11,199
different

1731
01:16:16,790 --> 01:16:13,520
kind of sense of what was said oh but he

1732
01:16:19,350 --> 01:16:16,800
said it was possible yeah possible but

1733
01:16:20,630 --> 01:16:19,360
possible could only mean a like a five

1734
01:16:23,669 --> 01:16:20,640
percent

1735
01:16:25,990 --> 01:16:23,679
possibility so so everyone in the

1736
01:16:28,870 --> 01:16:26,000
intelligence community uses these words

1737
01:16:31,350 --> 01:16:28,880
of estimative probability my question

1738
01:16:34,310 --> 01:16:31,360
would have been use those words of

1739
01:16:36,550 --> 01:16:34,320
estimate of probability to rank the

1740
01:16:39,189 --> 01:16:36,560
various theories that we're all talking

1741
01:16:40,709 --> 01:16:39,199
about china russia our own tech

1742
01:16:42,470 --> 01:16:40,719
extraterrestrial

1743
01:16:44,630 --> 01:16:42,480
and they won't do that i don't think

1744
01:16:46,790 --> 01:16:44,640
they'll do that and that's interesting

1745
01:16:49,110 --> 01:16:46,800
but no one's quite pinned them down and

1746
01:16:50,950 --> 01:16:49,120
asked them they should

1747
01:16:53,030 --> 01:16:50,960
and if they do

1748
01:16:55,990 --> 01:16:53,040
i don't know what'll happen i think they

1749
01:16:58,149 --> 01:16:56,000
will decline to answer now what what do

1750
01:17:01,750 --> 01:16:58,159
you make of the new uh the the new

1751
01:17:04,550 --> 01:17:01,760
program uh arrow

1752
01:17:06,630 --> 01:17:04,560
and and that designation

1753
01:17:08,870 --> 01:17:06,640
well it's like yeah another week another

1754
01:17:11,110 --> 01:17:08,880
pentagon office i mean

1755
01:17:13,669 --> 01:17:11,120
it's it's yeah playing a bit of alphabet

1756
01:17:16,149 --> 01:17:13,679
soup with this i i don't know every

1757
01:17:18,310 --> 01:17:16,159
we've seen this before look we saw this

1758
01:17:19,750 --> 01:17:18,320
when when kirsten gillibrand came out

1759
01:17:23,350 --> 01:17:19,760
with the gila brand

1760
01:17:26,229 --> 01:17:23,360
amendment and and put out some

1761
01:17:30,470 --> 01:17:26,239
some very strong language

1762
01:17:31,990 --> 01:17:30,480
the the pentagon came out with their aoi

1763
01:17:33,350 --> 01:17:32,000
msg

1764
01:17:36,149 --> 01:17:33,360
almost

1765
01:17:38,950 --> 01:17:36,159
i would say as a spoiler

1766
01:17:40,950 --> 01:17:38,960
to say yeah yeah we're on this you know

1767
01:17:42,310 --> 01:17:40,960
here's one we did earlier

1768
01:17:47,270 --> 01:17:42,320
so

1769
01:17:49,750 --> 01:17:47,280
tactical positioning here

1770
01:17:52,149 --> 01:17:49,760
a lot of what is going on

1771
01:17:54,070 --> 01:17:52,159
right now is for an audience and that

1772
01:17:56,070 --> 01:17:54,080
audience is actually it's not the media

1773
01:17:57,590 --> 01:17:56,080
and and the public it's the audience's

1774
01:17:59,590 --> 01:17:57,600
congress

1775
01:18:01,990 --> 01:17:59,600
and what they're doing with these sorts

1776
01:18:02,950 --> 01:18:02,000
of initiatives is they are trying to

1777
01:18:04,950 --> 01:18:02,960
show

1778
01:18:07,189 --> 01:18:04,960
that they're being proactive

1779
01:18:11,030 --> 01:18:07,199
and they're trying to

1780
01:18:13,750 --> 01:18:11,040
tick some boxes which congress has

1781
01:18:15,910 --> 01:18:13,760
flagged up so for example congress has

1782
01:18:17,270 --> 01:18:15,920
talked about the need for transparency

1783
01:18:18,070 --> 01:18:17,280
and openness

1784
01:18:19,669 --> 01:18:18,080
so

1785
01:18:21,750 --> 01:18:19,679
they come out with this announcement and

1786
01:18:24,470 --> 01:18:21,760
say hey look we're setting up a new

1787
01:18:27,189 --> 01:18:24,480
uh effort to look at this

1788
01:18:29,669 --> 01:18:27,199
aren't we great uh we're gonna do this

1789
01:18:31,990 --> 01:18:29,679
and we do that well congress is saying

1790
01:18:35,030 --> 01:18:32,000
fine but we want some results we want

1791
01:18:37,709 --> 01:18:35,040
some action so it's it's

1792
01:18:41,110 --> 01:18:37,719
there's there's a little bit of uh

1793
01:18:44,470 --> 01:18:41,120
gamesmanship going on here

1794
01:18:49,189 --> 01:18:44,480
with with congress

1795
01:18:51,669 --> 01:18:49,199
drawing up a very big detailed wish list

1796
01:18:54,149 --> 01:18:51,679
and the dod and the intelligence

1797
01:18:57,510 --> 01:18:54,159
community in the military

1798
01:19:00,229 --> 01:18:57,520
knowing that they have to deliver or be

1799
01:19:02,310 --> 01:19:00,239
be seen to deliver yeah a good

1800
01:19:04,390 --> 01:19:02,320
proportion of that they can they can

1801
01:19:06,470 --> 01:19:04,400
negotiate i mean they talked about the

1802
01:19:08,229 --> 01:19:06,480
horse trading they can they'll drop some

1803
01:19:09,590 --> 01:19:08,239
things out but they've got to deliver

1804
01:19:11,990 --> 01:19:09,600
something so

1805
01:19:14,709 --> 01:19:12,000
so that's where we are now but the the

1806
01:19:15,510 --> 01:19:14,719
big thing the big thing now is that the

1807
01:19:17,590 --> 01:19:15,520
new

1808
01:19:19,430 --> 01:19:17,600
legislation

1809
01:19:21,750 --> 01:19:19,440
like i say all this is probably going to

1810
01:19:24,630 --> 01:19:21,760
be rolled in to the national defense

1811
01:19:27,030 --> 01:19:24,640
authorization act for fiscal year 2023

1812
01:19:30,310 --> 01:19:27,040
that's the piece of legislation that

1813
01:19:31,750 --> 01:19:30,320
frankly they must pass so all whether

1814
01:19:33,990 --> 01:19:31,760
it's in the senate whether it's in the

1815
01:19:37,830 --> 01:19:34,000
house what whichever committee it

1816
01:19:39,669 --> 01:19:37,840
emanates from it's the nda 2023 that

1817
01:19:42,310 --> 01:19:39,679
people should be keeping their eye on

1818
01:19:43,910 --> 01:19:42,320
that's where we need to look this new

1819
01:19:46,870 --> 01:19:43,920
this new office

1820
01:19:50,630 --> 01:19:46,880
may deliver some of that but but the

1821
01:19:54,950 --> 01:19:50,640
next battle is nda 2023.

1822
01:19:57,830 --> 01:19:54,960
and what do you anticipate because uh uh

1823
01:20:00,229 --> 01:19:57,840
in the nda and gillibrand

1824
01:20:02,950 --> 01:20:00,239
uh for 2022

1825
01:20:06,550 --> 01:20:02,960
now specifically called for

1826
01:20:08,470 --> 01:20:06,560
uh well a lot of things to happen but uh

1827
01:20:09,270 --> 01:20:08,480
the two biggest things

1828
01:20:11,270 --> 01:20:09,280
were

1829
01:20:12,629 --> 01:20:11,280
uh two public

1830
01:20:15,990 --> 01:20:12,639
reports

1831
01:20:16,950 --> 01:20:16,000
um every 180 days every six months

1832
01:20:20,070 --> 01:20:16,960
uh

1833
01:20:21,270 --> 01:20:20,080
we missed that deadline right we're in

1834
01:20:23,510 --> 01:20:21,280
july

1835
01:20:25,110 --> 01:20:23,520
so we didn't get the one that we were

1836
01:20:27,830 --> 01:20:25,120
supposed to get we've only had one

1837
01:20:29,430 --> 01:20:27,840
report we've had one hearing but we've

1838
01:20:31,830 --> 01:20:29,440
only had the report from june of last

1839
01:20:35,110 --> 01:20:31,840
year so we didn't get the one at the

1840
01:20:37,350 --> 01:20:35,120
180-day mark or now and there's supposed

1841
01:20:38,870 --> 01:20:37,360
to be another public one

1842
01:20:43,270 --> 01:20:38,880
at the end of the year

1843
01:20:45,830 --> 01:20:43,280
in december and a classified report

1844
01:20:47,350 --> 01:20:45,840
is supposed to be filed uh with the

1845
01:20:49,030 --> 01:20:47,360
house and senate

1846
01:20:51,270 --> 01:20:49,040
in uh

1847
01:20:55,430 --> 01:20:51,280
at the end of the year uh december by

1848
01:20:56,709 --> 01:20:55,440
december 31st uh 2022. uh we missed the

1849
01:21:00,470 --> 01:20:56,719
first one

1850
01:21:02,310 --> 01:21:00,480
uh do you anticipate a report eminent uh

1851
01:21:03,910 --> 01:21:02,320
being released any day

1852
01:21:05,430 --> 01:21:03,920
and what do you think is going to happen

1853
01:21:07,830 --> 01:21:05,440
at the end of the year

1854
01:21:08,950 --> 01:21:07,840
yeah i think we're going to get i i

1855
01:21:11,030 --> 01:21:08,960
mentioned that i think we're going to

1856
01:21:13,270 --> 01:21:11,040
get more public hearings and each of

1857
01:21:14,870 --> 01:21:13,280
these public hearings of course is

1858
01:21:17,750 --> 01:21:14,880
followed by a closed

1859
01:21:20,310 --> 01:21:17,760
session where where they they go into a

1860
01:21:22,149 --> 01:21:20,320
dark room and and talk about classified

1861
01:21:26,310 --> 01:21:22,159
stuff

1862
01:21:27,669 --> 01:21:26,320
so i would expect by the end of the year

1863
01:21:30,470 --> 01:21:27,679
one or more

1864
01:21:33,270 --> 01:21:30,480
hearings and i i would not be surprised

1865
01:21:35,669 --> 01:21:33,280
if we we got a report sooner rather than

1866
01:21:38,149 --> 01:21:35,679
later i in fact i i wouldn't be

1867
01:21:40,790 --> 01:21:38,159
surprised if we we got something oh i'll

1868
01:21:44,149 --> 01:21:40,800
go out on a limb you know uh within a

1869
01:21:46,950 --> 01:21:44,159
month i i you know because it's the

1870
01:21:48,790 --> 01:21:46,960
easiest thing in the world

1871
01:21:52,310 --> 01:21:48,800
to put out

1872
01:21:53,910 --> 01:21:52,320
you know sort of holding reply report

1873
01:21:56,229 --> 01:21:53,920
and saying even if we're not in the

1874
01:21:59,030 --> 01:21:56,239
position to give a full report in the

1875
01:22:01,510 --> 01:21:59,040
interests of openness and transparency

1876
01:22:05,350 --> 01:22:01,520
we want to keep congress informed so

1877
01:22:08,390 --> 01:22:05,360
here is some some more um information

1878
01:22:09,669 --> 01:22:08,400
and it's it's a smart play

1879
01:22:11,270 --> 01:22:09,679
if you've got

1880
01:22:13,270 --> 01:22:11,280
some very

1881
01:22:15,750 --> 01:22:13,280
bullish people

1882
01:22:19,270 --> 01:22:15,760
in congress pushing for this

1883
01:22:20,709 --> 01:22:19,280
the smart play is to get out ahead and

1884
01:22:23,510 --> 01:22:20,719
even if you

1885
01:22:24,870 --> 01:22:23,520
you don't have to give something um if

1886
01:22:27,189 --> 01:22:24,880
you think you've pushed it to the end of

1887
01:22:29,750 --> 01:22:27,199
the year give them something before then

1888
01:22:32,629 --> 01:22:29,760
because because people remember that and

1889
01:22:35,590 --> 01:22:32,639
it plays out quite well from a public

1890
01:22:37,270 --> 01:22:35,600
relations public affairs point of view

1891
01:22:38,390 --> 01:22:37,280
if someone's expecting something by the

1892
01:22:40,070 --> 01:22:38,400
end of the year

1893
01:22:42,149 --> 01:22:40,080
but you know congress feels strongly

1894
01:22:43,750 --> 01:22:42,159
about it give them give them it early

1895
01:22:46,149 --> 01:22:43,760
say look you know didn't want to keep

1896
01:22:48,229 --> 01:22:46,159
you waiting we've got some some material

1897
01:22:50,470 --> 01:22:48,239
for you now here it is

1898
01:22:52,470 --> 01:22:50,480
i i'm not saying it's it's going to be

1899
01:22:55,910 --> 01:22:52,480
revelatory

1900
01:22:59,270 --> 01:22:55,920
but it's as i say it's the smart play

1901
01:23:01,750 --> 01:22:59,280
and here's the other thing congress

1902
01:23:03,669 --> 01:23:01,760
if they didn't know before

1903
01:23:07,430 --> 01:23:03,679
they do know now

1904
01:23:09,910 --> 01:23:07,440
that some very very well connected

1905
01:23:11,910 --> 01:23:09,920
individuals who have

1906
01:23:13,910 --> 01:23:11,920
been involved in

1907
01:23:15,510 --> 01:23:13,920
these sorts of programs

1908
01:23:17,110 --> 01:23:15,520
are

1909
01:23:19,110 --> 01:23:17,120
obviously

1910
01:23:21,430 --> 01:23:19,120
briefing some of these

1911
01:23:23,430 --> 01:23:21,440
senators and

1912
01:23:25,669 --> 01:23:23,440
congressional representatives behind

1913
01:23:27,270 --> 01:23:25,679
closed doors i mean if you look at some

1914
01:23:29,750 --> 01:23:27,280
of the wording

1915
01:23:31,750 --> 01:23:29,760
i don't want to name names but it it it

1916
01:23:33,750 --> 01:23:31,760
doesn't it's not it doesn't take

1917
01:23:36,070 --> 01:23:33,760
sherlock holmes to figure it out you

1918
01:23:38,629 --> 01:23:36,080
look at some of the wording

1919
01:23:39,830 --> 01:23:38,639
and you look at some of the people who

1920
01:23:41,350 --> 01:23:39,840
who

1921
01:23:42,629 --> 01:23:41,360
have been involved in some of these

1922
01:23:45,030 --> 01:23:42,639
programs and

1923
01:23:46,790 --> 01:23:45,040
speak out about it it's it's it's as

1924
01:23:48,790 --> 01:23:46,800
clear as day

1925
01:23:51,990 --> 01:23:48,800
that those people

1926
01:23:53,510 --> 01:23:52,000
are briefing people like marco rubio and

1927
01:23:55,590 --> 01:23:53,520
kirsten gillibrand and some of the

1928
01:23:58,149 --> 01:23:55,600
others and saying look

1929
01:24:00,149 --> 01:23:58,159
if i were you

1930
01:24:02,550 --> 01:24:00,159
you i would consider

1931
01:24:05,750 --> 01:24:02,560
this sort of wording

1932
01:24:11,110 --> 01:24:05,760
for the next legislation and

1933
01:24:15,590 --> 01:24:13,270
it didn't come from nowhere

1934
01:24:17,830 --> 01:24:15,600
she was definitely assisted by some

1935
01:24:20,229 --> 01:24:17,840
pretty bright minds chris mellon you

1936
01:24:22,390 --> 01:24:20,239
know obviously right that that's how

1937
01:24:23,750 --> 01:24:22,400
that played out i want to ask you this

1938
01:24:25,030 --> 01:24:23,760
before the break

1939
01:24:26,629 --> 01:24:25,040
um

1940
01:24:29,350 --> 01:24:26,639
the hearing

1941
01:24:32,550 --> 01:24:29,360
i i found it compelling and and i'm with

1942
01:24:35,270 --> 01:24:32,560
you it happened it wasn't everything to

1943
01:24:37,350 --> 01:24:35,280
everybody i get that but just the fact

1944
01:24:39,510 --> 01:24:37,360
that it happened is a tremendous first

1945
01:24:41,910 --> 01:24:39,520
step and it was exciting for me

1946
01:24:43,669 --> 01:24:41,920
but but that what to me that wasn't the

1947
01:24:45,750 --> 01:24:43,679
best part of the hearing the best part

1948
01:24:46,550 --> 01:24:45,760
of the hearing was

1949
01:24:48,950 --> 01:24:46,560
uh

1950
01:24:50,470 --> 01:24:48,960
the monday morning quarterback right

1951
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with tim burchette

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um who was not a member of the committee

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he was an

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audience member but representative

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burchette

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01:25:03,270 --> 01:25:01,360
went ballistic to the media

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01:25:04,390 --> 01:25:03,280
after that saying that this hearing was

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01:25:07,189 --> 01:25:04,400
a sham

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and and i'm going to paraphrase him but

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01:25:11,669 --> 01:25:08,560
i'm pretty close

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01:25:13,750 --> 01:25:11,679
he said our government

1962
01:25:17,030 --> 01:25:13,760
has been hiding

1963
01:25:19,270 --> 01:25:17,040
this from the public for too long and

1964
01:25:20,870 --> 01:25:19,280
it's time we get to the truth

1965
01:25:23,669 --> 01:25:20,880
and i thought that that was pretty

1966
01:25:26,790 --> 01:25:23,679
dramatic to have an elected official

1967
01:25:29,189 --> 01:25:26,800
go straight at uh their government like

1968
01:25:31,430 --> 01:25:29,199
he did in that fashion remember when he

1969
01:25:33,669 --> 01:25:31,440
was pointing at the cameras and he goes

1970
01:25:36,149 --> 01:25:33,679
oh wait i'm not i'm not mad at you media

1971
01:25:38,470 --> 01:25:36,159
right now point against you

1972
01:25:41,030 --> 01:25:38,480
i'm just i'm angry here this this

1973
01:25:43,430 --> 01:25:41,040
hearing was a sham what did you make of

1974
01:25:47,990 --> 01:25:43,440
uh timber chat's comments

1975
01:25:49,830 --> 01:25:48,000
yeah i i get that i mean that anger

1976
01:25:50,950 --> 01:25:49,840
goes back

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01:25:51,830 --> 01:25:50,960
actually

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to

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2017

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01:25:58,229 --> 01:25:56,159
and i i'm i'm not speaking about him

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01:25:59,590 --> 01:25:58,239
personally but i'm speaking more

1982
01:26:00,709 --> 01:25:59,600
generally

1983
01:26:03,990 --> 01:26:00,719
i know

1984
01:26:08,870 --> 01:26:04,000
that when the new york times ran

1985
01:26:12,790 --> 01:26:08,880
that story on december 16 2017

1986
01:26:14,550 --> 01:26:12,800
a lot of people in congress were furious

1987
01:26:16,070 --> 01:26:14,560
because of course they

1988
01:26:18,709 --> 01:26:16,080
had i mean

1989
01:26:19,830 --> 01:26:18,719
constituents write in all the time on

1990
01:26:21,510 --> 01:26:19,840
all sorts of

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01:26:24,870 --> 01:26:21,520
issues

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01:26:27,750 --> 01:26:24,880
mainly obviously on things like like

1993
01:26:29,669 --> 01:26:27,760
you know immigration and and

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01:26:31,910 --> 01:26:29,679
disability benefit

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01:26:33,910 --> 01:26:31,920
you know all the usual stuff

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01:26:36,310 --> 01:26:33,920
yeah yeah a lot of people a lot of

1997
01:26:38,229 --> 01:26:36,320
people write in on ufos and every time

1998
01:26:39,990 --> 01:26:38,239
somebody wrote to anyone in congress

1999
01:26:42,470 --> 01:26:40,000
about ufos

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01:26:45,030 --> 01:26:42,480
sometimes a staffer would reach out to

2001
01:26:47,669 --> 01:26:45,040
the the dod or or

2002
01:26:49,510 --> 01:26:47,679
the usaf or whoever and and they would

2003
01:26:52,310 --> 01:26:49,520
just say yeah we had a program called

2004
01:26:54,470 --> 01:26:52,320
blue book closed down in 69 no one's

2005
01:26:57,189 --> 01:26:54,480
doing anything on it now no one's

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01:27:00,229 --> 01:26:57,199
interested nothing to see move on

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01:27:02,950 --> 01:27:00,239
so then the new york times story hits

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01:27:06,629 --> 01:27:02,960
and i know

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01:27:07,830 --> 01:27:06,639
that congressional representatives were

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furious

2011
01:27:10,790 --> 01:27:09,440
because they said we've been telling our

2012
01:27:11,669 --> 01:27:10,800
constituents for years that there's

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01:27:13,590 --> 01:27:11,679
nothing

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01:27:15,990 --> 01:27:13,600
going on and now we read in the

2015
01:27:17,110 --> 01:27:16,000
newspaper that there is and it makes us

2016
01:27:19,590 --> 01:27:17,120
look

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01:27:21,430 --> 01:27:19,600
like you know we didn't know and it

2018
01:27:24,709 --> 01:27:21,440
makes us look like we're not doing our

2019
01:27:27,590 --> 01:27:24,719
job on oversight properly and and it

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01:27:30,830 --> 01:27:27,600
makes us look makes us look ignorant or

2021
01:27:32,709 --> 01:27:30,840
they are not telling the truth yeah

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01:27:35,590 --> 01:27:32,719
so so

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01:27:37,990 --> 01:27:35,600
what happened after that

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01:27:41,030 --> 01:27:38,000
story hit was that

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01:27:43,590 --> 01:27:41,040
a whole bunch of staffers

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in the senate in the house

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were

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burning up the phone lines to the dod

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01:27:52,310 --> 01:27:49,440
and the dia

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01:27:54,870 --> 01:27:52,320
saying hey you told us no one was doing

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01:27:57,110 --> 01:27:54,880
this you said no one was interested now

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01:28:01,270 --> 01:27:57,120
now we learn this what's going on and

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01:28:04,310 --> 01:28:01,280
the legacy of that anger is is here

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01:28:09,669 --> 01:28:07,430
the um uh we needed uh to

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01:28:11,189 --> 01:28:09,679
uh to take a break right here but when

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01:28:13,750 --> 01:28:11,199
we come back

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01:28:15,669 --> 01:28:13,760
um i want to talk a little bit about

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01:28:18,390 --> 01:28:15,679
randall shim in the uk

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01:28:19,750 --> 01:28:18,400
but not for what you might think nick in

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that

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the

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has put uh

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an artificial timeline on their

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01:28:34,950 --> 01:28:32,000
investigations 2004 and newer

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01:28:36,550 --> 01:28:34,960
like the ufo subject didn't exist before

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01:28:38,950 --> 01:28:36,560
2004

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and they're not interested in that well

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01:28:42,550 --> 01:28:41,520
clearly if you want to focus on military

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01:28:45,510 --> 01:28:42,560
events

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01:28:47,910 --> 01:28:45,520
you've got rendell shim right a u.s

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01:28:49,430 --> 01:28:47,920
military air force

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01:28:51,189 --> 01:28:49,440
encounter

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01:28:54,709 --> 01:28:51,199
documented

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01:28:56,950 --> 01:28:54,719
by military personnel you have a paper

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01:28:59,590 --> 01:28:56,960
chain that goes along with it you have

2056
01:29:01,270 --> 01:28:59,600
witnesses that are living today

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01:29:03,750 --> 01:29:01,280
that were there

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01:29:05,750 --> 01:29:03,760
why not investigate that i want your

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01:29:06,629 --> 01:29:05,760
response when we come back after the

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01:29:08,870 --> 01:29:06,639
break

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01:29:11,430 --> 01:29:08,880
this is fade to black i am your host

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01:29:13,910 --> 01:29:11,440
jimmy church where are we we are right

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01:29:15,510 --> 01:29:13,920
here i got to hit the right button this

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is fade to black our guest tonight nick

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01:29:19,030 --> 01:29:17,440
pope

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01:29:20,790 --> 01:29:19,040
this is how you start a show thank you

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01:29:22,709 --> 01:29:20,800
so much nick stay with us we'll be right

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01:29:24,229 --> 01:29:22,719
back after this short break

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this is fade to black i'm here with

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[Music]

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way out here we listen to jimmy church

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you're listening to fade to black

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you're listening to jimmy church and

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fade to black

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i'm lisa vance you're listening to jimmy

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church this is revolution the revolution

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will not be televised the revolution is

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[Applause]

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welcome back fade to black i'm your host

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jimmy church tonight nick pope is with

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us tomorrow night is another fader night

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it's thursday

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open lines all night long and a very

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spirited open conversation tonight with

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nick and

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i always uh expect that when the pope

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goes to church i i i love that but

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that's a t-shirt i think there's a

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t-shirt in our future now uh nick i'm

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gonna give you a little heads up here i

2204
01:36:05,910 --> 01:36:03,440
have the feeling we're gonna go into

2205
01:36:08,310 --> 01:36:05,920
overtime tonight i know that you think

2206
01:36:11,189 --> 01:36:08,320
that we're gonna just wrap this up in

2207
01:36:13,830 --> 01:36:11,199
the next hour uh there's too many things

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uh that i've made a list of notes right

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i never have notes you know it's just

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open conversation but i'm like no we got

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to do this we got to do this we got it

2212
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and we just scratched the surface so i'm

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giving you the heads up don't complain

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when i say that we're going to be going

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into overtime

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um i i brought up rendal shim

2217
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and do you get the same vibe

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01:36:39,189 --> 01:36:37,199
uh that i do that the department of

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01:36:41,990 --> 01:36:39,199
defense wants to treat this as a new

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phenomenon and rename it you know call

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it uaps and that this is all new stuff

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and

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nothing before 2004

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uh certainly uh even though it was the

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united states air force it was still in

2226
01:36:59,669 --> 01:36:57,840
the uk it's a joint base that was out

2227
01:37:01,830 --> 01:36:59,679
there you know they have the raf you

2228
01:37:05,510 --> 01:37:01,840
have uh the local police departments

2229
01:37:08,310 --> 01:37:05,520
that are involved so this is a a uk uh

2230
01:37:10,310 --> 01:37:08,320
event as well it's not just

2231
01:37:12,790 --> 01:37:10,320
uh united states air force and i'm

2232
01:37:15,669 --> 01:37:12,800
talking about rendell shim specifically

2233
01:37:16,550 --> 01:37:15,679
but shouldn't this also be

2234
01:37:24,629 --> 01:37:16,560
a

2235
01:37:27,750 --> 01:37:24,639
no

2236
01:37:29,189 --> 01:37:27,760
mistake about this just as the people

2237
01:37:32,229 --> 01:37:29,199
involved with

2238
01:37:34,709 --> 01:37:32,239
atip and orsap wherever we think and i

2239
01:37:36,629 --> 01:37:34,719
know i know that there's a debate going

2240
01:37:40,470 --> 01:37:36,639
on about the

2241
01:37:41,830 --> 01:37:40,480
the exact terms of reference of atip and

2242
01:37:43,669 --> 01:37:41,840
osap and

2243
01:37:46,629 --> 01:37:43,679
what they did and didn't do and what the

2244
01:37:48,390 --> 01:37:46,639
dividing line is between them look

2245
01:37:50,470 --> 01:37:48,400
setting that aside

2246
01:37:54,629 --> 01:37:50,480
there is no getting away from the fact

2247
01:37:58,229 --> 01:37:54,639
that the people involved in all of that

2248
01:38:00,470 --> 01:37:58,239
were fully aware of the calvine incident

2249
01:38:01,510 --> 01:38:00,480
and and the the missing photo that we

2250
01:38:04,550 --> 01:38:01,520
discussed

2251
01:38:07,910 --> 01:38:04,560
before the break and and they are fully

2252
01:38:10,470 --> 01:38:07,920
aware of rendelsham forest so don't be

2253
01:38:11,590 --> 01:38:10,480
surprised they may not want to address

2254
01:38:14,870 --> 01:38:11,600
it

2255
01:38:19,030 --> 01:38:14,880
and

2256
01:38:20,950 --> 01:38:19,040
these

2257
01:38:22,950 --> 01:38:20,960
you know fairly bullish

2258
01:38:26,709 --> 01:38:22,960
people in congress who are asking these

2259
01:38:29,270 --> 01:38:26,719
questions ask about calvin and ask about

2260
01:38:30,790 --> 01:38:29,280
rendelsham it's in the atip files or

2261
01:38:32,149 --> 01:38:30,800
it's it's it's in

2262
01:38:33,669 --> 01:38:32,159
you know i don't want to say the atip

2263
01:38:35,830 --> 01:38:33,679
files it is

2264
01:38:39,189 --> 01:38:35,840
it is in

2265
01:38:40,390 --> 01:38:39,199
files and databases that were

2266
01:38:43,109 --> 01:38:40,400
um

2267
01:38:45,350 --> 01:38:43,119
you know developed from

2268
01:38:47,109 --> 01:38:45,360
people involved in those programs now

2269
01:38:49,270 --> 01:38:47,119
there's there's that i mentioned the

2270
01:38:51,350 --> 01:38:49,280
debate about where the dividing line is

2271
01:38:53,910 --> 01:38:51,360
between those programs there's also a

2272
01:38:56,390 --> 01:38:53,920
separate debate about where the dividing

2273
01:38:58,709 --> 01:38:56,400
line is between the part of all this

2274
01:38:59,910 --> 01:38:58,719
that was genuinely of interest to the us

2275
01:39:03,189 --> 01:38:59,920
government

2276
01:39:05,430 --> 01:39:03,199
and the part that was being pursued

2277
01:39:08,390 --> 01:39:05,440
by robert bigelow

2278
01:39:10,870 --> 01:39:08,400
uh as as the contractor

2279
01:39:12,470 --> 01:39:10,880
but maybe more of as a

2280
01:39:15,350 --> 01:39:12,480
you know i i don't like to use this

2281
01:39:16,310 --> 01:39:15,360
phrase but almost a passion project that

2282
01:39:18,390 --> 01:39:16,320
debate

2283
01:39:20,870 --> 01:39:18,400
is still going on that's that's fair

2284
01:39:23,189 --> 01:39:20,880
enough but look my the bottom line is

2285
01:39:24,709 --> 01:39:23,199
this irrespective of where the line is

2286
01:39:26,950 --> 01:39:24,719
in any of this

2287
01:39:29,910 --> 01:39:26,960
the people involved in all of those

2288
01:39:32,390 --> 01:39:29,920
programs knew about calvin they knew

2289
01:39:35,750 --> 01:39:32,400
about rendelsham there there is

2290
01:39:39,430 --> 01:39:35,760
information in those databases and we

2291
01:39:42,629 --> 01:39:39,440
will see what if any of that information

2292
01:39:45,750 --> 01:39:42,639
gets asked and then gets

2293
01:39:49,430 --> 01:39:45,760
revealed at any of the upcoming

2294
01:39:52,070 --> 01:39:49,440
hearings and reports and and whatever

2295
01:39:55,590 --> 01:39:52,080
else is going to fall out of all this

2296
01:39:58,070 --> 01:39:55,600
does the united kingdom and uh i'm going

2297
01:40:00,149 --> 01:39:58,080
to reach out a little bit further

2298
01:40:04,870 --> 01:40:00,159
uh we've got uh

2299
01:40:06,390 --> 01:40:04,880
uh australia china spain france germany

2300
01:40:08,629 --> 01:40:06,400
um

2301
01:40:10,470 --> 01:40:08,639
any country in south america

2302
01:40:11,910 --> 01:40:10,480
um

2303
01:40:12,709 --> 01:40:11,920
do they have

2304
01:40:14,229 --> 01:40:12,719
uh

2305
01:40:15,669 --> 01:40:14,239
a program

2306
01:40:18,390 --> 01:40:15,679
right now

2307
01:40:22,470 --> 01:40:18,400
uh for reporting

2308
01:40:25,590 --> 01:40:22,480
ufos and and uaps and a

2309
01:40:28,310 --> 01:40:25,600
a program like atip

2310
01:40:31,270 --> 01:40:28,320
have they started a

2311
01:40:33,189 --> 01:40:31,280
new effort are they sharing information

2312
01:40:36,229 --> 01:40:33,199
like we're supposed to be sharing inside

2313
01:40:38,149 --> 01:40:36,239
of the united states are we cooperating

2314
01:40:40,470 --> 01:40:38,159
uh with all of our partners around the

2315
01:40:43,669 --> 01:40:40,480
world china just announced that they

2316
01:40:45,669 --> 01:40:43,679
have their own ufo reporting program now

2317
01:40:46,629 --> 01:40:45,679
china made that public

2318
01:40:48,229 --> 01:40:46,639
um

2319
01:40:51,669 --> 01:40:48,239
does the uk

2320
01:40:53,830 --> 01:40:51,679
have an ongoing ufo uap

2321
01:40:55,510 --> 01:40:53,840
program

2322
01:40:59,109 --> 01:40:55,520
well you're right china and russia

2323
01:41:01,590 --> 01:40:59,119
definitely have active programs

2324
01:41:04,790 --> 01:41:01,600
we we know that we've known that we knew

2325
01:41:06,709 --> 01:41:04,800
that in in the ministry of defense back

2326
01:41:09,030 --> 01:41:06,719
in the 90s and

2327
01:41:13,550 --> 01:41:11,910
they like us may have had some

2328
01:41:16,709 --> 01:41:13,560
you know different

2329
01:41:18,310 --> 01:41:16,719
reorganizations over the years retitling

2330
01:41:19,590 --> 01:41:18,320
i mean goodness knows we were discussing

2331
01:41:20,629 --> 01:41:19,600
before the break how many different

2332
01:41:23,590 --> 01:41:20,639
titles

2333
01:41:26,070 --> 01:41:23,600
that the pentagon have gone through

2334
01:41:29,109 --> 01:41:26,080
now you know we've we've had atip and

2335
01:41:32,390 --> 01:41:29,119
orsap and the uap task force and we've

2336
01:41:34,390 --> 01:41:32,400
had the aoms g and and now we have the

2337
01:41:36,229 --> 01:41:34,400
new body arrow

2338
01:41:37,990 --> 01:41:36,239
you know so it goes on and on russia and

2339
01:41:40,510 --> 01:41:38,000
china are the same i'm sure they've had

2340
01:41:43,350 --> 01:41:40,520
the same bureaucratic

2341
01:41:44,310 --> 01:41:43,360
reorganizations and and and you know

2342
01:41:48,790 --> 01:41:44,320
different

2343
01:41:51,270 --> 01:41:48,800
institutions involved but they they had

2344
01:41:53,590 --> 01:41:51,280
programs back in the 90s

2345
01:41:56,709 --> 01:41:53,600
and and they have programs now other

2346
01:41:59,189 --> 01:41:56,719
nations too of course the united kingdom

2347
01:42:01,189 --> 01:41:59,199
is an interesting case

2348
01:42:03,910 --> 01:42:01,199
publicly they say

2349
01:42:07,270 --> 01:42:03,920
we have no program

2350
01:42:13,189 --> 01:42:09,030
you're smiling

2351
01:42:17,590 --> 01:42:15,189
come on you know

2352
01:42:19,510 --> 01:42:17,600
right right yeah i mean

2353
01:42:22,950 --> 01:42:19,520
yeah let's

2354
01:42:24,629 --> 01:42:22,960
if it's the devil's in the detail

2355
01:42:26,830 --> 01:42:24,639
they do do you know the name of the

2356
01:42:28,390 --> 01:42:26,840
program no i don't

2357
01:42:33,350 --> 01:42:28,400
i

2358
01:42:36,470 --> 01:42:33,360
uh not

2359
01:42:41,910 --> 01:42:37,270
uh

2360
01:42:44,390 --> 01:42:41,920
important you could foia if you had the

2361
01:42:45,189 --> 01:42:44,400
name of the program right you can foyer

2362
01:42:46,550 --> 01:42:45,199
it

2363
01:42:48,790 --> 01:42:46,560
you could

2364
01:42:51,910 --> 01:42:48,800
but if the program is

2365
01:42:54,870 --> 01:42:51,920
out in the private sector as i mentioned

2366
01:42:56,550 --> 01:42:54,880
a lot of these not just on uap but

2367
01:42:58,950 --> 01:42:56,560
a lot of

2368
01:43:00,870 --> 01:42:58,960
either highly classified or politically

2369
01:43:02,550 --> 01:43:00,880
embarrassing otherwise sensitive

2370
01:43:05,510 --> 01:43:02,560
programs are put out into the private

2371
01:43:07,830 --> 01:43:05,520
sector to give them that extra distance

2372
01:43:11,270 --> 01:43:07,840
uh make sure you

2373
01:43:14,149 --> 01:43:11,280
the uk's ufo program is in the private

2374
01:43:16,550 --> 01:43:14,159
sector to keep it untouchable that's

2375
01:43:17,510 --> 01:43:16,560
not what i said i i'm

2376
01:43:19,270 --> 01:43:17,520
i

2377
01:43:21,910 --> 01:43:19,280
yeah

2378
01:43:24,390 --> 01:43:21,920
i'm i'm just throwing out throwing that

2379
01:43:26,950 --> 01:43:24,400
out there as a possibility i'm saying we

2380
01:43:29,430 --> 01:43:26,960
we have done that before

2381
01:43:31,109 --> 01:43:29,440
with some programs it wouldn't surprise

2382
01:43:33,430 --> 01:43:31,119
me if that was being done but but

2383
01:43:34,950 --> 01:43:33,440
there's another way to do it

2384
01:43:37,189 --> 01:43:34,960
you could do it

2385
01:43:39,750 --> 01:43:37,199
in the system

2386
01:43:41,910 --> 01:43:39,760
but not as a formerly constituted

2387
01:43:45,189 --> 01:43:41,920
program but kind of piggybacked on to

2388
01:43:47,910 --> 01:43:45,199
something else like for example

2389
01:43:51,350 --> 01:43:47,920
the people that look at

2390
01:43:53,830 --> 01:43:51,360
air safety issues flight safety

2391
01:43:57,750 --> 01:43:53,840
every now and then there are near misses

2392
01:44:00,709 --> 01:43:57,760
between aircraft and other aircraft and

2393
01:44:02,950 --> 01:44:00,719
sometimes aircraft and drones sometimes

2394
01:44:05,430 --> 01:44:02,960
aircraft and weather balloons sometimes

2395
01:44:07,189 --> 01:44:05,440
aircraft and something that the pilot

2396
01:44:10,790 --> 01:44:07,199
didn't know what it was

2397
01:44:13,270 --> 01:44:10,800
well there's a place you could hide

2398
01:44:16,070 --> 01:44:13,280
in plain sight

2399
01:44:18,709 --> 01:44:16,080
a uap program for example

2400
01:44:21,830 --> 01:44:18,719
and and maybe all of these things go on

2401
01:44:24,149 --> 01:44:21,840
but look i said the name isn't important

2402
01:44:26,790 --> 01:44:24,159
and i don't think it is

2403
01:44:30,070 --> 01:44:26,800
here's what is important

2404
01:44:33,430 --> 01:44:30,080
what's what's important is is

2405
01:44:36,229 --> 01:44:33,440
where your subject matter experts are

2406
01:44:38,470 --> 01:44:36,239
because and who they are

2407
01:44:40,870 --> 01:44:38,480
and what and what i'm getting at is what

2408
01:44:41,830 --> 01:44:40,880
are their areas of expertise because the

2409
01:44:46,149 --> 01:44:41,840
people

2410
01:44:49,189 --> 01:44:46,159
the subject matter experts

2411
01:44:51,430 --> 01:44:49,199
are that gives you a clue as to what the

2412
01:44:52,790 --> 01:44:51,440
the organization thinks we're dealing

2413
01:44:55,030 --> 01:44:52,800
with

2414
01:44:59,189 --> 01:44:55,040
so for example if if

2415
01:45:01,990 --> 01:44:59,199
you found that the the uk had a program

2416
01:45:04,470 --> 01:45:02,000
but the program was embedded in the

2417
01:45:05,350 --> 01:45:04,480
organization that studies

2418
01:45:07,669 --> 01:45:05,360
you know

2419
01:45:10,229 --> 01:45:07,679
adversarial nations

2420
01:45:12,550 --> 01:45:10,239
missile technology that would give you a

2421
01:45:15,189 --> 01:45:12,560
clue that you're dealing with something

2422
01:45:17,910 --> 01:45:15,199
decidedly terrestrial

2423
01:45:20,310 --> 01:45:17,920
you see what i mean it's it's

2424
01:45:21,629 --> 01:45:20,320
do do you uh

2425
01:45:24,149 --> 01:45:21,639
is there

2426
01:45:26,550 --> 01:45:24,159
cooperation right now between the united

2427
01:45:29,189 --> 01:45:26,560
states and the united kingdom about uaps

2428
01:45:31,910 --> 01:45:29,199
and reporting and incidents and and

2429
01:45:35,350 --> 01:45:31,920
sharing uh what they know and that also

2430
01:45:38,870 --> 01:45:35,360
includes like i said canada mexico

2431
01:45:40,149 --> 01:45:38,880
australia uh spain france

2432
01:45:43,109 --> 01:45:40,159
japan

2433
01:45:44,790 --> 01:45:43,119
uh is there a cooperation australia is

2434
01:45:47,270 --> 01:45:44,800
there a cooperation

2435
01:45:48,390 --> 01:45:47,280
and an open channel of communication

2436
01:45:50,950 --> 01:45:48,400
between

2437
01:45:52,149 --> 01:45:50,960
uh the friendly nations

2438
01:45:53,750 --> 01:45:52,159
there isn't

2439
01:45:55,910 --> 01:45:53,760
they i mean

2440
01:45:57,750 --> 01:45:55,920
back in the 1990s and i think we've

2441
01:46:00,070 --> 01:45:57,760
discussed this before

2442
01:46:02,790 --> 01:46:00,080
i was involved in setting up a

2443
01:46:05,030 --> 01:46:02,800
classified intelligence assessment of

2444
01:46:06,870 --> 01:46:05,040
the phenomenon which is colloquially

2445
01:46:09,990 --> 01:46:06,880
known

2446
01:46:11,590 --> 01:46:10,000
as project condyne

2447
01:46:13,990 --> 01:46:11,600
and

2448
01:46:15,750 --> 01:46:14,000
the the final i mean i wasn't involved

2449
01:46:17,430 --> 01:46:15,760
in the study i'd moved on by the time it

2450
01:46:21,669 --> 01:46:17,440
got started but the

2451
01:46:24,149 --> 01:46:21,679
the the final report was dated 2000

2452
01:46:27,510 --> 01:46:24,159
and um

2453
01:46:29,830 --> 01:46:27,520
a lot of it has been publicly released

2454
01:46:31,590 --> 01:46:29,840
large parts of it are still redacted but

2455
01:46:32,870 --> 01:46:31,600
it's out there

2456
01:46:34,870 --> 01:46:32,880
and

2457
01:46:36,629 --> 01:46:34,880
i mentioned this almost as an amusing

2458
01:46:39,189 --> 01:46:36,639
aside

2459
01:46:42,709 --> 01:46:39,199
but if you go to it

2460
01:46:45,669 --> 01:46:42,719
you'll find that we knew we knew more

2461
01:46:48,550 --> 01:46:45,679
about what russia and china

2462
01:46:51,590 --> 01:46:48,560
were doing than we knew about the united

2463
01:46:54,149 --> 01:46:51,600
states and that tells you something

2464
01:46:55,910 --> 01:46:54,159
i mean i'm not kidding you jimmy we we

2465
01:46:57,910 --> 01:46:55,920
knew more about the russian and the

2466
01:47:01,030 --> 01:46:57,920
chinese programs than we knew about the

2467
01:47:03,910 --> 01:47:01,040
united states program on this so

2468
01:47:05,030 --> 01:47:03,920
when you talk about cooperation between

2469
01:47:06,070 --> 01:47:05,040
allies

2470
01:47:07,109 --> 01:47:06,080
no

2471
01:47:09,990 --> 01:47:07,119
i mean

2472
01:47:12,149 --> 01:47:10,000
if there is cooperation you would expect

2473
01:47:14,390 --> 01:47:12,159
it to be through the mechanism for

2474
01:47:16,629 --> 01:47:14,400
example of the five eyes

2475
01:47:18,870 --> 01:47:16,639
nations so right right right right you

2476
01:47:20,629 --> 01:47:18,880
know the standard intelligence sharing

2477
01:47:24,550 --> 01:47:20,639
between the united states the united

2478
01:47:26,790 --> 01:47:24,560
kingdom canada australia and new zealand

2479
01:47:29,030 --> 01:47:26,800
now a while ago

2480
01:47:31,910 --> 01:47:29,040
i think it was the debrief

2481
01:47:34,709 --> 01:47:31,920
i ran a piece where they had some

2482
01:47:36,390 --> 01:47:34,719
sources who had been involved in the uap

2483
01:47:39,270 --> 01:47:36,400
task force and they said

2484
01:47:42,629 --> 01:47:39,280
some information about the uap task

2485
01:47:44,950 --> 01:47:42,639
force's preliminary findings has been

2486
01:47:46,470 --> 01:47:44,960
shared on

2487
01:47:51,189 --> 01:47:46,480
servers

2488
01:47:52,629 --> 01:47:51,199
five eyes nations

2489
01:47:55,109 --> 01:47:52,639
but you know it's the easiest thing in

2490
01:47:56,229 --> 01:47:55,119
the world to put something on a server

2491
01:47:59,270 --> 01:47:56,239
but

2492
01:48:01,750 --> 01:47:59,280
unless the right person unless the right

2493
01:48:04,870 --> 01:48:01,760
subject matter expert at the other end

2494
01:48:07,030 --> 01:48:04,880
gets to see it it's useless

2495
01:48:08,870 --> 01:48:07,040
and that's why i say a lot of this

2496
01:48:11,270 --> 01:48:08,880
it doesn't matter what you call the

2497
01:48:13,750 --> 01:48:11,280
program it it matters where you embed

2498
01:48:16,149 --> 01:48:13,760
the program and who is read on to the

2499
01:48:19,189 --> 01:48:16,159
program and has the appropriate security

2500
01:48:21,830 --> 01:48:19,199
clearance and need to know to be read on

2501
01:48:24,870 --> 01:48:21,840
and to get the data

2502
01:48:27,830 --> 01:48:24,880
now here is okay now let's let's change

2503
01:48:29,030 --> 01:48:27,840
gears but not really

2504
01:48:33,510 --> 01:48:29,040
um

2505
01:48:35,109 --> 01:48:33,520
i want to talk about avi loeb's efforts

2506
01:48:37,750 --> 01:48:35,119
and and

2507
01:48:40,310 --> 01:48:37,760
your involvement with that we'll we'll

2508
01:48:43,910 --> 01:48:40,320
get into this uh very deeply

2509
01:48:48,070 --> 01:48:43,920
but on the surface on this program

2510
01:48:50,709 --> 01:48:48,080
um i asked avi i said look man uh have

2511
01:48:53,430 --> 01:48:50,719
you seen the movie contact right don't

2512
01:48:56,709 --> 01:48:53,440
you know the issues that are in front of

2513
01:48:59,750 --> 01:48:56,719
you with project galileo if you uh the

2514
01:49:01,270 --> 01:48:59,760
galileo project that if you

2515
01:49:03,830 --> 01:49:01,280
had something

2516
01:49:06,629 --> 01:49:03,840
right and it was there

2517
01:49:08,790 --> 01:49:06,639
that there is a very real possibility of

2518
01:49:09,750 --> 01:49:08,800
the government stepping in going not so

2519
01:49:11,350 --> 01:49:09,760
fast

2520
01:49:13,189 --> 01:49:11,360
that information's not going public

2521
01:49:18,390 --> 01:49:13,199
that's staying with us first

2522
01:49:20,550 --> 01:49:18,400
um and and that is uh avi's response uh

2523
01:49:22,870 --> 01:49:20,560
to that you may have heard it was i'm

2524
01:49:24,550 --> 01:49:22,880
not worried about that this is this is a

2525
01:49:27,510 --> 01:49:24,560
private venture and

2526
01:49:28,629 --> 01:49:27,520
and and i'm aware but no that won't

2527
01:49:31,030 --> 01:49:28,639
happen

2528
01:49:31,830 --> 01:49:31,040
i'm not so sure that that

2529
01:49:36,070 --> 01:49:31,840
that

2530
01:49:37,510 --> 01:49:36,080
got the james webb and we'll get into

2531
01:49:40,550 --> 01:49:37,520
that too as well

2532
01:49:42,629 --> 01:49:40,560
but if if avi

2533
01:49:45,109 --> 01:49:42,639
with the galileo project which is

2534
01:49:47,350 --> 01:49:45,119
scanning the skies uh

2535
01:49:51,470 --> 01:49:47,360
from horizon to horizon

2536
01:49:53,109 --> 01:49:51,480
with input from an international body of

2537
01:49:56,229 --> 01:49:53,119
astrophysicists

2538
01:49:59,109 --> 01:49:56,239
um from from different countries now

2539
01:50:01,030 --> 01:49:59,119
we're talking about an international uh

2540
01:50:03,669 --> 01:50:01,040
effort going on here

2541
01:50:05,750 --> 01:50:03,679
and and a cooperation but if something

2542
01:50:08,830 --> 01:50:05,760
is discovered

2543
01:50:11,750 --> 01:50:08,840
it will it actually go

2544
01:50:13,990 --> 01:50:11,760
public i go back to the movie and you

2545
01:50:16,550 --> 01:50:14,000
you mentioned contact and one of my

2546
01:50:17,589 --> 01:50:16,560
favorite bits in the movie is the bit

2547
01:50:19,189 --> 01:50:17,599
where

2548
01:50:22,070 --> 01:50:19,199
ellie arroway

2549
01:50:24,709 --> 01:50:22,080
makes the discovery and everyone is

2550
01:50:27,109 --> 01:50:24,719
sitting around afterwards and and one of

2551
01:50:29,510 --> 01:50:27,119
the other scientists turns to her and

2552
01:50:31,990 --> 01:50:29,520
says who do we tell now and she says

2553
01:50:33,030 --> 01:50:32,000
everyone everyone and

2554
01:50:34,870 --> 01:50:33,040
and

2555
01:50:36,870 --> 01:50:34,880
you know you can't

2556
01:50:38,629 --> 01:50:36,880
you can't get the toothpaste back into

2557
01:50:40,550 --> 01:50:38,639
the tube so

2558
01:50:44,070 --> 01:50:40,560
these days in in this

2559
01:50:47,669 --> 01:50:44,080
24 7 media cycle

2560
01:50:50,310 --> 01:50:47,679
multimedia social media world if

2561
01:50:55,189 --> 01:50:50,320
somebody makes an announcement that's it

2562
01:50:59,270 --> 01:50:55,199
it's out there and and like i say so

2563
01:51:01,669 --> 01:50:59,280
avi lopez is is absolutely

2564
01:51:02,550 --> 01:51:01,679
i think one of the heroes of

2565
01:51:04,390 --> 01:51:02,560
of

2566
01:51:06,870 --> 01:51:04,400
modern science

2567
01:51:09,990 --> 01:51:06,880
and the galileo project is is i think

2568
01:51:12,470 --> 01:51:10,000
very aptly named after

2569
01:51:15,510 --> 01:51:12,480
galileo of course for somebody whose

2570
01:51:17,830 --> 01:51:15,520
ideas at the time were seen as heretical

2571
01:51:19,109 --> 01:51:17,840
but who now everyone looking back of

2572
01:51:22,070 --> 01:51:19,119
course

2573
01:51:24,629 --> 01:51:22,080
looks on him as the guy who got it right

2574
01:51:26,550 --> 01:51:24,639
and and i suspect that's how history

2575
01:51:28,070 --> 01:51:26,560
will remember avi lope

2576
01:51:31,270 --> 01:51:28,080
and

2577
01:51:32,870 --> 01:51:31,280
he's he's he's not just

2578
01:51:36,390 --> 01:51:32,880
a scientist

2579
01:51:38,629 --> 01:51:36,400
he's becoming he is a thought leader

2580
01:51:40,470 --> 01:51:38,639
when it it comes to this in a in a

2581
01:51:42,149 --> 01:51:40,480
situation where we need those thought

2582
01:51:44,070 --> 01:51:42,159
leaders i think you could say the other

2583
01:51:46,830 --> 01:51:44,080
person on on that level is probably

2584
01:51:50,470 --> 01:51:46,840
mishi okaku who who's

2585
01:51:53,510 --> 01:51:50,480
also making a lot of very very

2586
01:51:56,629 --> 01:51:53,520
you know proactive helpful statements

2587
01:51:59,430 --> 01:51:56,639
about all this but avilobe has built

2588
01:52:01,350 --> 01:51:59,440
a multi-disciplinary team for years i

2589
01:52:03,270 --> 01:52:01,360
don't have to tell you for years people

2590
01:52:04,790 --> 01:52:03,280
in the ufo community complained oh we

2591
01:52:07,350 --> 01:52:04,800
can't get science

2592
01:52:10,550 --> 01:52:07,360
you know scientific community interested

2593
01:52:12,790 --> 01:52:10,560
in in this subject why isn't science

2594
01:52:14,790 --> 01:52:12,800
looking at this why isn't academia

2595
01:52:17,910 --> 01:52:14,800
looking at this and sometimes all it

2596
01:52:19,669 --> 01:52:17,920
takes is one brave visionary

2597
01:52:21,669 --> 01:52:19,679
you know ironically

2598
01:52:23,669 --> 01:52:21,679
with alien abductions and ufos you could

2599
01:52:25,510 --> 01:52:23,679
say with john mack at harvard now it's

2600
01:52:27,510 --> 01:52:25,520
it's avi loeb

2601
01:52:28,390 --> 01:52:27,520
harvard at harvard

2602
01:52:35,270 --> 01:52:28,400
is that

2603
01:52:38,870 --> 01:52:35,280
like those kind of connections um

2604
01:52:42,830 --> 01:52:38,880
i'm not a scientist but

2605
01:52:45,589 --> 01:52:42,840
uh there are a number of people

2606
01:52:48,149 --> 01:52:45,599
research affiliates

2607
01:52:52,870 --> 01:52:48,159
who are in the galileo project of whom i

2608
01:52:55,589 --> 01:52:52,880
am one uh who who you know because of

2609
01:52:58,629 --> 01:52:55,599
their backgrounds you know we we you

2610
01:52:59,350 --> 01:52:58,639
know maybe can offer some some advice

2611
01:53:09,589 --> 01:52:59,360
and

2612
01:53:14,149 --> 01:53:09,599
this has started

2613
01:53:16,470 --> 01:53:14,159
some conspiracy theories that i'm

2614
01:53:19,350 --> 01:53:16,480
involved in this as a research affiliate

2615
01:53:21,350 --> 01:53:19,360
and so is lou elizondo and so is chris

2616
01:53:22,950 --> 01:53:21,360
mellon but you know look there's no

2617
01:53:25,510 --> 01:53:22,960
there's no secret about this you can go

2618
01:53:27,589 --> 01:53:25,520
to the galileo project website you can

2619
01:53:30,229 --> 01:53:27,599
you can click you can read

2620
01:53:33,109 --> 01:53:30,239
the the names of the research affiliates

2621
01:53:36,149 --> 01:53:33,119
if there was anything sinister about

2622
01:53:39,030 --> 01:53:36,159
that it wouldn't be on their website

2623
01:53:41,430 --> 01:53:39,040
and and it is so the galileo project

2624
01:53:43,750 --> 01:53:41,440
absolutely is about openness and

2625
01:53:46,149 --> 01:53:43,760
transparency and

2626
01:53:48,790 --> 01:53:46,159
data avi

2627
01:53:51,510 --> 01:53:48,800
is often says he's probably told you

2628
01:53:52,790 --> 01:53:51,520
this himself in in your interview he

2629
01:53:54,229 --> 01:53:52,800
says look

2630
01:53:56,390 --> 01:53:54,239
you know people can have their

2631
01:53:59,030 --> 01:53:56,400
preconceived ideas but i'm interested in

2632
01:54:01,430 --> 01:53:59,040
data give me the data and i as a

2633
01:54:02,149 --> 01:54:01,440
scientist will go where those data take

2634
01:54:05,030 --> 01:54:02,159
me

2635
01:54:06,830 --> 01:54:05,040
now he's looking he's looking literally

2636
01:54:10,070 --> 01:54:06,840
and metaphorically

2637
01:54:11,990 --> 01:54:10,080
through new telescopes

2638
01:54:14,629 --> 01:54:12,000
and i mean that lit literally in the

2639
01:54:16,709 --> 01:54:14,639
sense of of building

2640
01:54:17,510 --> 01:54:16,719
telescopes and

2641
01:54:20,310 --> 01:54:17,520
and

2642
01:54:23,430 --> 01:54:20,320
hooking them up to systems that will

2643
01:54:25,750 --> 01:54:23,440
interrogate the data with ai and machine

2644
01:54:27,910 --> 01:54:25,760
learning and and go

2645
01:54:30,629 --> 01:54:27,920
further and deeper than anyone's gone

2646
01:54:33,430 --> 01:54:30,639
before but i say it's not just literally

2647
01:54:36,950 --> 01:54:33,440
it's metaphorically looking through

2648
01:54:41,510 --> 01:54:36,960
new telescopes it's it's looking with

2649
01:54:44,550 --> 01:54:41,520
fresh eyes and an open mind at a project

2650
01:54:45,350 --> 01:54:44,560
at a subject that science has for too

2651
01:54:48,470 --> 01:54:45,360
long

2652
01:54:50,790 --> 01:54:48,480
ignored and so i think avilobe is at the

2653
01:54:53,589 --> 01:54:50,800
forefront of something very very

2654
01:54:55,910 --> 01:54:53,599
interesting right now he's got a lot of

2655
01:54:57,750 --> 01:54:55,920
people gathering around him a lot of

2656
01:54:58,870 --> 01:54:57,760
other thought leaders

2657
01:55:00,709 --> 01:54:58,880
a lot of

2658
01:55:02,550 --> 01:55:00,719
private donations people who are saying

2659
01:55:05,270 --> 01:55:02,560
look i don't want to give this to the

2660
01:55:07,270 --> 01:55:05,280
government i want i want science to find

2661
01:55:09,189 --> 01:55:07,280
this first and i want you people to

2662
01:55:11,430 --> 01:55:09,199
publish it

2663
01:55:14,229 --> 01:55:11,440
there's um i was reading one of the

2664
01:55:18,470 --> 01:55:14,239
comments in in the chat room

2665
01:55:20,870 --> 01:55:18,480
um about avi being new to the scene and

2666
01:55:23,430 --> 01:55:20,880
and i just replied back no you're wrong

2667
01:55:26,070 --> 01:55:23,440
uh if you know anything about avi

2668
01:55:28,310 --> 01:55:26,080
he has had an interest in this subject

2669
01:55:29,109 --> 01:55:28,320
that goes back decades

2670
01:55:33,430 --> 01:55:29,119
and

2671
01:55:37,189 --> 01:55:33,440
using

2672
01:55:39,910 --> 01:55:37,199
physics and the ability to study

2673
01:55:43,030 --> 01:55:39,920
uh the science behind this to find out

2674
01:55:46,470 --> 01:55:43,040
what is going on and if if contact is

2675
01:55:49,270 --> 01:55:46,480
possible and it if it's ongoing today

2676
01:55:53,109 --> 01:55:49,280
and certainly his book extraterrestrial

2677
01:55:55,030 --> 01:55:53,119
uh spells it all out avi didn't wake up

2678
01:55:55,990 --> 01:55:55,040
a couple of years ago and go you know

2679
01:55:58,870 --> 01:55:56,000
what

2680
01:56:02,709 --> 01:55:58,880
i'm a ufo guy no

2681
01:56:05,990 --> 01:56:02,719
he knows a lot about this subject and it

2682
01:56:08,070 --> 01:56:06,000
has been a point of his research now uh

2683
01:56:11,589 --> 01:56:08,080
for over 20 years

2684
01:56:14,470 --> 01:56:11,599
from just a pure astro uh physics

2685
01:56:16,390 --> 01:56:14,480
uh mindset and and that's one of the

2686
01:56:18,229 --> 01:56:16,400
things when we talk about a champion

2687
01:56:20,550 --> 01:56:18,239
here and you're right about this

2688
01:56:23,430 --> 01:56:20,560
um nick in that

2689
01:56:25,910 --> 01:56:23,440
um he has got a foundation

2690
01:56:29,990 --> 01:56:25,920
uh when it comes to the subject of ufos

2691
01:56:32,709 --> 01:56:30,000
aliens uh uh life in the universe and

2692
01:56:35,109 --> 01:56:32,719
and probabilities of all of this he's

2693
01:56:37,669 --> 01:56:35,119
got a foundation that none of us have

2694
01:56:40,229 --> 01:56:37,679
that comes from a professional academic

2695
01:56:41,350 --> 01:56:40,239
physics background he chaired the black

2696
01:56:42,870 --> 01:56:41,360
hole

2697
01:56:45,430 --> 01:56:42,880
you know

2698
01:56:48,709 --> 01:56:45,440
he was the director of

2699
01:56:53,750 --> 01:56:48,719
of physics at harvard and this goes back

2700
01:56:55,750 --> 01:56:53,760
uh again 15 20 years and to have him

2701
01:56:57,830 --> 01:56:55,760
saying we're gonna get to the bottom of

2702
01:57:00,790 --> 01:56:57,840
this that's exactly what this community

2703
01:57:03,189 --> 01:57:00,800
needs he is truly he's a fate or not you

2704
01:57:05,270 --> 01:57:03,199
know and he is uh

2705
01:57:07,189 --> 01:57:05,280
he's going to if somebody's going to

2706
01:57:09,830 --> 01:57:07,199
find out from a scientific standpoint

2707
01:57:13,589 --> 01:57:09,840
it's going to be avi loeb and you're

2708
01:57:15,109 --> 01:57:13,599
right he he he put himself out there and

2709
01:57:16,550 --> 01:57:15,119
all of the other physicists and

2710
01:57:18,149 --> 01:57:16,560
scientists from around the world that do

2711
01:57:21,030 --> 01:57:18,159
have an interest in this

2712
01:57:23,830 --> 01:57:21,040
needed him to put his foot forward first

2713
01:57:25,750 --> 01:57:23,840
and now he has built this team

2714
01:57:28,070 --> 01:57:25,760
yeah and if you if you go on to the

2715
01:57:29,750 --> 01:57:28,080
website not not just the research

2716
01:57:32,189 --> 01:57:29,760
affiliates but go and look at the

2717
01:57:34,629 --> 01:57:32,199
science team and you'll see how

2718
01:57:36,950 --> 01:57:34,639
multi-disciplinary it is and and i mean

2719
01:57:39,109 --> 01:57:36,960
look the scientific method

2720
01:57:41,990 --> 01:57:39,119
is the scientific method whether you're

2721
01:57:43,430 --> 01:57:42,000
talking about ufos or whether you're

2722
01:57:45,830 --> 01:57:43,440
talking about

2723
01:57:48,070 --> 01:57:45,840
the mating habits of geckos

2724
01:57:49,109 --> 01:57:48,080
i mean you the scientific method is is

2725
01:57:51,430 --> 01:57:49,119
standard

2726
01:57:55,270 --> 01:57:51,440
you you put forward

2727
01:57:58,390 --> 01:57:55,280
hypotheses you devise an experiment to

2728
01:58:00,950 --> 01:57:58,400
test them you gather your data you

2729
01:58:04,470 --> 01:58:00,960
analyze your data

2730
01:58:06,870 --> 01:58:04,480
and and then you you peer review it and

2731
01:58:09,910 --> 01:58:06,880
you publish and then you repeat that's

2732
01:58:10,870 --> 01:58:09,920
the scientific method and avi avi is led

2733
01:58:13,589 --> 01:58:10,880
by

2734
01:58:15,109 --> 01:58:13,599
that scientific method and he may have

2735
01:58:17,189 --> 01:58:15,119
his his

2736
01:58:20,149 --> 01:58:17,199
hypotheses but he's going to test them

2737
01:58:21,990 --> 01:58:20,159
and if if the if the tests come up you

2738
01:58:24,310 --> 01:58:22,000
know he's going to call it how he sees

2739
01:58:27,830 --> 01:58:24,320
it that's science

2740
01:58:30,709 --> 01:58:27,840
if um there are uh a couple of pages

2741
01:58:33,189 --> 01:58:30,719
extraterrestrial uh i've now read cover

2742
01:58:35,750 --> 01:58:33,199
to cover probably 20 times

2743
01:58:37,109 --> 01:58:35,760
and uh but there are a couple of pages

2744
01:58:40,149 --> 01:58:37,119
in that book

2745
01:58:42,149 --> 01:58:40,159
where he absolutely pulls no punches uh

2746
01:58:45,350 --> 01:58:42,159
when it comes to omua

2747
01:58:50,629 --> 01:58:45,360
and and his his fight against the

2748
01:58:53,589 --> 01:58:50,639
establishment um on this and and again

2749
01:58:55,990 --> 01:58:53,599
purely data-driven nick purely

2750
01:58:57,350 --> 01:58:56,000
data-driven and he goes over that point

2751
01:59:00,870 --> 01:58:57,360
again and again

2752
01:59:04,070 --> 01:59:00,880
i'm not using this as a theory i'm

2753
01:59:06,629 --> 01:59:04,080
basing this on the data

2754
01:59:09,589 --> 01:59:06,639
right and that that's what we need

2755
01:59:12,229 --> 01:59:09,599
somebody that absolutely understands i i

2756
01:59:14,870 --> 01:59:12,239
don't i don't know what it uh i don't i

2757
01:59:16,870 --> 01:59:14,880
can't write an algorithm can you can you

2758
01:59:19,589 --> 01:59:16,880
get into physics and write

2759
01:59:22,390 --> 01:59:19,599
can you write uh velocity and speed and

2760
01:59:23,990 --> 01:59:22,400
and and get an object's distance in an

2761
01:59:25,910 --> 01:59:24,000
algorithm can you write that out nick

2762
01:59:28,310 --> 01:59:25,920
can you whiteboard that

2763
01:59:32,629 --> 01:59:28,320
no no i cannot

2764
01:59:35,510 --> 01:59:32,639
neither can i and but he can and he can

2765
01:59:37,669 --> 01:59:35,520
interpret the data and understand it and

2766
01:59:40,470 --> 01:59:37,679
that's the part of avi that i just have

2767
01:59:42,950 --> 01:59:40,480
the the greatest respect for and and

2768
01:59:44,790 --> 01:59:42,960
before anybody comments on avi

2769
01:59:47,750 --> 01:59:44,800
um read his book

2770
01:59:50,629 --> 01:59:47,760
just go and read the book and then

2771
01:59:53,750 --> 01:59:50,639
come back at me or or anybody else uh

2772
01:59:56,149 --> 01:59:53,760
with with a comment um now let's get uh

2773
01:59:57,669 --> 01:59:56,159
all right i gotta get a break in when we

2774
02:00:00,310 --> 01:59:57,679
come back we're gonna talk about can we

2775
02:00:03,030 --> 02:00:00,320
talk about the james webb is that cool

2776
02:00:05,830 --> 02:00:03,040
absolutely do some james webb next this

2777
02:00:08,070 --> 02:00:05,840
is fade to black i am your host jimmy

2778
02:00:12,550 --> 02:00:08,080
church tonight our guest

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nick pope pope is at church tonight

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break stay with us

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[\h__\h] welcome back fade to black i am

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your host jimmy church tonight nick pope

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is with us

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man the chat room is on fire tonight and

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uh

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02:06:12,870 --> 02:06:11,199
nick i i have to ask

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02:06:15,430 --> 02:06:12,880
believe it or not

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02:06:17,109 --> 02:06:15,440
the chat room is not talking about ufos

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not talking about uaps they're not

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02:06:21,510 --> 02:06:20,079
talking about nick pope and an mod

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government agent they're not talking

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about any of that you know what they're

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02:06:25,430 --> 02:06:24,400
talking about

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beer

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and they want to know

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so

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in and said

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guinness extra stout with a chilled shot

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02:06:40,550 --> 02:06:38,000
of vodka looking nick

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okay and uh and i said okay i'm gonna

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ask nick after the break

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02:06:47,189 --> 02:06:44,560
uh well what what are you you're from

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02:06:50,310 --> 02:06:47,199
the uk beer capital of the world uh

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02:06:52,069 --> 02:06:50,320
trumps out uh germany no problem

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02:06:55,990 --> 02:06:52,079
uh what's the deal what what's your

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preferred uh uh uh beer uh beverage oh

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02:07:01,990 --> 02:06:58,880
my goodness well i have many many i i

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mean it's difficult to pick them out i i

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02:07:06,069 --> 02:07:05,119
do like a stella stellar artois uh-huh

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that's a

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great one i i like the miller high life

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what

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yeah that's that's good the champagne of

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beers you can't say that and go back to

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the uk oh well you know but but don't

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forget i i know i i i've lived in the

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u.s for

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02:07:29,270 --> 02:07:27,119
11 nearly 12 years now so

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so that's yeah um

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i

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that uh

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and and

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yes

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for anyone who is asking

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02:07:46,310 --> 02:07:43,599
the the one that i actually have here

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uh is is a rolling rock

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02:07:51,750 --> 02:07:48,880
oh that's another i i like rolling rock

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02:07:53,189 --> 02:07:51,760
i think that's pennsylvania right

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02:07:55,669 --> 02:07:53,199
you know i

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the cans are in the other room so i i

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wouldn't i wouldn't want to say but uh

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02:08:03,030 --> 02:08:00,719
yeah so there there we are and and you

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02:08:05,030 --> 02:08:03,040
know i know i'm mixing my metaphors but

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02:08:07,030 --> 02:08:05,040
in vino veritas there's nothing like

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02:08:10,310 --> 02:08:07,040
having a good conversation

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02:08:12,629 --> 02:08:10,320
over a couple of cold ones uh to

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02:08:14,149 --> 02:08:12,639
you know i maybe maybe people are hoping

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that if i have a few more i'm going to

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02:08:19,830 --> 02:08:15,679
say oh by the way let me tell you where

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02:08:23,750 --> 02:08:21,910
i know that the bodies of the alien

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02:08:25,669 --> 02:08:23,760
bodies are buried out here in the mojave

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02:08:26,550 --> 02:08:25,679
desert somewhere i just got to figure it

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02:08:29,430 --> 02:08:26,560
out

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might be china lake i don't know

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02:08:35,589 --> 02:08:33,440
i don't know um i you know i prefer uh i

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i discovered a beer

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02:08:40,069 --> 02:08:37,679
about five years ago that i fell in love

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02:08:42,310 --> 02:08:40,079
with it's called smog city chocolate

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coffee stout

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man thick black uh coffee

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and uh i got into that and i'm into the

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dark chocolate stouts i like those but i

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my fall back my

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of choice

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02:08:59,589 --> 02:08:57,520
is just guinness extra stout i i like

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02:09:01,350 --> 02:08:59,599
dark beer and and i like guinness extra

2971
02:09:04,310 --> 02:09:01,360
style i really do you know

2972
02:09:06,790 --> 02:09:04,320
caffrey's is good too yeah yeah yeah it

2973
02:09:09,510 --> 02:09:06,800
is um but uh

2974
02:09:11,910 --> 02:09:09,520
no american beer for me no you know what

2975
02:09:14,629 --> 02:09:11,920
though there is um

2976
02:09:17,270 --> 02:09:14,639
trying to think of that beer from texas

2977
02:09:19,430 --> 02:09:17,280
um that is really good

2978
02:09:22,149 --> 02:09:19,440
it'll it'll come back to me

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02:09:24,950 --> 02:09:22,159
in in just a second it's a german beer

2980
02:09:26,390 --> 02:09:24,960
the family moved from germany to texas

2981
02:09:28,950 --> 02:09:26,400
and i can't think of the name of it

2982
02:09:31,830 --> 02:09:28,960
starts i think it starts with an s

2983
02:09:34,629 --> 02:09:31,840
ah okay well anyway off of the beer talk

2984
02:09:35,990 --> 02:09:34,639
let's get to uh um

2985
02:09:39,990 --> 02:09:36,000
the reason why i want to talk about

2986
02:09:43,750 --> 02:09:40,000
james webb and nasa specifically because

2987
02:09:45,589 --> 02:09:43,760
it also dovetails off of uh the galileo

2988
02:09:47,589 --> 02:09:45,599
project conversation

2989
02:09:49,589 --> 02:09:47,599
um and the point that i brought up

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02:09:51,109 --> 02:09:49,599
earlier which is there's going to be

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02:09:52,470 --> 02:09:51,119
something that's going to happen that is

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02:09:54,229 --> 02:09:52,480
going to be out of the government's

2993
02:09:55,589 --> 02:09:54,239
control that is going to force this

2994
02:09:56,470 --> 02:09:55,599
conversation

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02:09:58,950 --> 02:09:56,480
uh

2996
02:10:01,510 --> 02:09:58,960
moving forward very quickly

2997
02:10:05,910 --> 02:10:01,520
and james webb is online

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02:10:07,030 --> 02:10:05,920
and and the images have been incredible

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02:10:10,390 --> 02:10:07,040
uh

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02:10:12,629 --> 02:10:10,400
what do you think the possibilities are

3001
02:10:15,589 --> 02:10:12,639
oh the the possibilities are endless i

3002
02:10:17,430 --> 02:10:15,599
mean the the analogy that people use and

3003
02:10:18,790 --> 02:10:17,440
of course this is infrared

3004
02:10:20,950 --> 02:10:18,800
but uh

3005
02:10:23,910 --> 02:10:20,960
the analogy that that i think some of

3006
02:10:26,149 --> 02:10:23,920
the scientists were using was that if

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02:10:28,470 --> 02:10:26,159
there was to be a bumble bee

3008
02:10:30,709 --> 02:10:28,480
on the surface of the moon james webb

3009
02:10:32,149 --> 02:10:30,719
would be sensitive enough to to pick it

3010
02:10:33,030 --> 02:10:32,159
up

3011
02:10:36,390 --> 02:10:33,040
and

3012
02:10:38,870 --> 02:10:36,400
so the point about james webb is

3013
02:10:42,629 --> 02:10:38,880
that let's suppose some of these

3014
02:10:45,109 --> 02:10:42,639
theories about alien mega structures

3015
02:10:46,470 --> 02:10:45,119
are true and we we heard the story about

3016
02:10:48,310 --> 02:10:46,480
tabi's

3017
02:10:50,950 --> 02:10:48,320
a few years ago and and we're talking

3018
02:10:53,109 --> 02:10:50,960
about dyson spheres and things like that

3019
02:10:56,149 --> 02:10:53,119
if those things exist

3020
02:10:59,189 --> 02:10:56,159
and if they're out there in our little

3021
02:11:00,790 --> 02:10:59,199
part of the milky way galaxy james webb

3022
02:11:03,669 --> 02:11:00,800
has the

3023
02:11:07,270 --> 02:11:03,679
the you know the potential to find them

3024
02:11:09,189 --> 02:11:07,280
and and at that point again

3025
02:11:11,910 --> 02:11:09,199
you couldn't get the people say people

3026
02:11:15,189 --> 02:11:11,920
say nasa would cover it up no absolutely

3027
02:11:16,870 --> 02:11:15,199
they wouldn't i mean i know people in in

3028
02:11:18,870 --> 02:11:16,880
nasa these people would shout it from

3029
02:11:21,430 --> 02:11:18,880
the rooftops they're they're

3030
02:11:24,390 --> 02:11:21,440
this is what they live for if you if you

3031
02:11:26,390 --> 02:11:24,400
think back to 1996

3032
02:11:28,950 --> 02:11:26,400
and the whole saga of the martian

3033
02:11:30,709 --> 02:11:28,960
meteorite

3034
02:11:33,910 --> 02:11:30,719
looking back now

3035
02:11:36,069 --> 02:11:33,920
people say nasa was too keen to say we

3036
02:11:38,390 --> 02:11:36,079
found aliens or or at least some

3037
02:11:41,589 --> 02:11:38,400
evidence of of what they at the time

3038
02:11:43,589 --> 02:11:41,599
believed was fossilized microbial life

3039
02:11:45,750 --> 02:11:43,599
these are not the people covering it up

3040
02:11:48,229 --> 02:11:45,760
these are the people that that some more

3041
02:11:49,109 --> 02:11:48,239
conservative scientists think you're too

3042
02:11:51,910 --> 02:11:49,119
keen

3043
02:11:52,870 --> 02:11:51,920
to to say it's alien when maybe it isn't

3044
02:11:58,870 --> 02:11:52,880
so

3045
02:12:00,229 --> 02:11:58,880
we've seen over the last few years

3046
02:12:02,870 --> 02:12:00,239
obviously

3047
02:12:05,030 --> 02:12:02,880
the whole field of astrobiology has

3048
02:12:07,189 --> 02:12:05,040
taken off but we've seen the

3049
02:12:08,229 --> 02:12:07,199
conversation segue

3050
02:12:12,629 --> 02:12:08,239
from

3051
02:12:14,149 --> 02:12:12,639
bio signature to techno signature

3052
02:12:19,510 --> 02:12:14,159
and

3053
02:12:21,510 --> 02:12:19,520
something where you wouldn't have this

3054
02:12:23,189 --> 02:12:21,520
debate like the biosignature where you

3055
02:12:26,550 --> 02:12:23,199
could say well maybe it's just uh

3056
02:12:28,870 --> 02:12:26,560
geological and not biological a techno

3057
02:12:32,629 --> 02:12:28,880
signature is look we found a dyson

3058
02:12:35,350 --> 02:12:32,639
sphere or we found we found

3059
02:12:37,669 --> 02:12:35,360
you know chemicals which can only come

3060
02:12:39,030 --> 02:12:37,679
from a sort of post-industrial

3061
02:12:42,229 --> 02:12:39,040
revolution

3062
02:12:45,030 --> 02:12:42,239
technological society

3063
02:12:47,510 --> 02:12:45,040
whatever it is so so james webb is

3064
02:12:48,470 --> 02:12:47,520
hugely exciting

3065
02:12:53,030 --> 02:12:48,480
here's

3066
02:12:54,229 --> 02:12:53,040
james webb though

3067
02:12:56,950 --> 02:12:54,239
um

3068
02:12:57,830 --> 02:12:56,960
we have to remember

3069
02:12:59,910 --> 02:12:57,840
that

3070
02:13:02,550 --> 02:12:59,920
we are looking at

3071
02:13:04,149 --> 02:13:02,560
great distances and time

3072
02:13:07,990 --> 02:13:04,159
with light years

3073
02:13:09,910 --> 02:13:08,000
right so if we look at a technic

3074
02:13:12,310 --> 02:13:09,920
a technical signature

3075
02:13:14,550 --> 02:13:12,320
that is 10 000 light years away that's

3076
02:13:17,589 --> 02:13:14,560
10 000 years ago

3077
02:13:19,430 --> 02:13:17,599
we are we're it's not in real time

3078
02:13:22,310 --> 02:13:19,440
right now something that's 40 light

3079
02:13:24,149 --> 02:13:22,320
years away and we pick up on something

3080
02:13:26,790 --> 02:13:24,159
that's pretty interesting because that's

3081
02:13:30,149 --> 02:13:26,800
reasonably close and you're looking at

3082
02:13:32,790 --> 02:13:30,159
it 40 years ago okay well that dyson

3083
02:13:36,790 --> 02:13:32,800
sphere could still be there right

3084
02:13:39,669 --> 02:13:36,800
but if it's 10 000 years ago we have to

3085
02:13:42,629 --> 02:13:39,679
look at a very specific window

3086
02:13:44,470 --> 02:13:42,639
of because if if somebody's looking at

3087
02:13:47,350 --> 02:13:44,480
us from out there

3088
02:13:49,189 --> 02:13:47,360
and if they are looking at us from 10

3089
02:13:52,149 --> 02:13:49,199
000 light years away

3090
02:13:54,870 --> 02:13:52,159
they're looking at earth 10 000 years

3091
02:13:56,870 --> 02:13:54,880
ago they're not looking at us today as

3092
02:13:59,030 --> 02:13:56,880
we are now they will be looking at the

3093
02:14:01,750 --> 02:13:59,040
last ice age and there wouldn't be a

3094
02:14:03,830 --> 02:14:01,760
technical signature here and that's

3095
02:14:06,470 --> 02:14:03,840
that's the issue with james webb now we

3096
02:14:08,870 --> 02:14:06,480
may find something and we probably will

3097
02:14:11,189 --> 02:14:08,880
but we have to think about uh the the

3098
02:14:15,030 --> 02:14:11,199
distances and the time involved right we

3099
02:14:17,189 --> 02:14:15,040
we do and there's a technical phrase for

3100
02:14:19,350 --> 02:14:17,199
for this you know when you look out and

3101
02:14:21,669 --> 02:14:19,360
you also look back in time and the

3102
02:14:29,510 --> 02:14:21,679
technical phrase is

3103
02:14:34,229 --> 02:14:31,669
oh man

3104
02:14:35,750 --> 02:14:34,239
that's when i have a shot of my alien

3105
02:14:38,390 --> 02:14:35,760
head vodka

3106
02:14:40,870 --> 02:14:38,400
uh but yeah but that's exactly the point

3107
02:14:43,229 --> 02:14:40,880
right yeah yeah i've you know i'm

3108
02:14:44,790 --> 02:14:43,239
obviously we're joking but yes

3109
02:14:47,510 --> 02:14:44,800
realistically

3110
02:14:49,270 --> 02:14:47,520
and and even as good as it is there are

3111
02:14:50,709 --> 02:14:49,280
limits of course

3112
02:14:52,229 --> 02:14:50,719
realistically

3113
02:14:54,950 --> 02:14:52,239
if you're looking for something like a

3114
02:14:58,310 --> 02:14:54,960
dyson sphere we probably are confining

3115
02:15:01,910 --> 02:14:58,320
ourselves to to star systems

3116
02:15:03,990 --> 02:15:01,920
you know uh 50 100 200

3117
02:15:06,870 --> 02:15:04,000
maybe no more than 500 light years out i

3118
02:15:09,589 --> 02:15:06,880
don't i i don't know but um

3119
02:15:11,910 --> 02:15:09,599
it would at least answer the question of

3120
02:15:14,790 --> 02:15:11,920
whether life was and

3121
02:15:18,189 --> 02:15:14,800
not just life but obviously intelligent

3122
02:15:21,510 --> 02:15:18,199
life civilizations were rare or

3123
02:15:22,470 --> 02:15:21,520
commonplace because if if we were to

3124
02:15:23,189 --> 02:15:22,480
find

3125
02:15:26,790 --> 02:15:23,199
an

3126
02:15:29,510 --> 02:15:26,800
within

3127
02:15:31,750 --> 02:15:29,520
250 500 light years

3128
02:15:34,229 --> 02:15:31,760
of earth i mean that

3129
02:15:38,470 --> 02:15:34,239
that would almost certainly

3130
02:15:41,669 --> 02:15:38,480
suggest that there were trillions i mean

3131
02:15:43,430 --> 02:15:41,679
literally trillions of of civilizations

3132
02:15:45,109 --> 02:15:43,440
out there and indeed even that

3133
02:15:47,030 --> 02:15:45,119
understates it because you know there

3134
02:15:49,510 --> 02:15:47,040
was a there was a

3135
02:15:50,390 --> 02:15:49,520
paper a scientific paper a couple of

3136
02:15:51,750 --> 02:15:50,400
years ago

3137
02:15:53,589 --> 02:15:51,760
suggesting

3138
02:15:56,629 --> 02:15:53,599
a very conservative

3139
02:15:59,830 --> 02:15:56,639
interpretation of the drake equation

3140
02:16:02,870 --> 02:15:59,840
suggesting there might only be 36

3141
02:16:04,950 --> 02:16:02,880
civilizations in our milky way galaxy

3142
02:16:06,790 --> 02:16:04,960
and then i did the math and i said well

3143
02:16:09,510 --> 02:16:06,800
you know you do realize that would

3144
02:16:12,069 --> 02:16:09,520
translate to about 72 trillion

3145
02:16:15,550 --> 02:16:12,079
civilizations in the universe so i mean

3146
02:16:17,589 --> 02:16:15,560
the numbers are staggering yeah

3147
02:16:20,310 --> 02:16:17,599
non-comprehension that's right that's

3148
02:16:22,149 --> 02:16:20,320
right and that's been modified since

3149
02:16:24,790 --> 02:16:22,159
then and i remember when that report

3150
02:16:27,189 --> 02:16:24,800
came out now with the drake equation so

3151
02:16:29,990 --> 02:16:27,199
much of it is is hypothetical you you

3152
02:16:33,030 --> 02:16:30,000
are putting in arbitrary numbers

3153
02:16:35,990 --> 02:16:33,040
anybody can plug in a number uh

3154
02:16:38,549 --> 02:16:36,000
especially with uh

3155
02:16:40,790 --> 02:16:38,559
the old science from

3156
02:16:43,589 --> 02:16:40,800
20 years ago before we found the first

3157
02:16:46,790 --> 02:16:43,599
exoplanet right well that's that's

3158
02:16:50,790 --> 02:16:46,800
that's an arbitrary number but today we

3159
02:16:52,709 --> 02:16:50,800
know that there are at least 40 billion

3160
02:16:54,469 --> 02:16:52,719
earth-like planets in the goldilocks

3161
02:16:57,750 --> 02:16:54,479
zone that are rocky

3162
02:17:01,190 --> 02:16:57,760
just in our milky way that tips the

3163
02:17:03,190 --> 02:17:01,200
drake equation in that 37 civilization

3164
02:17:06,070 --> 02:17:03,200
number on its head

3165
02:17:09,509 --> 02:17:06,080
um and so when we look at it in in those

3166
02:17:13,190 --> 02:17:09,519
terms uh nick do you feel that

3167
02:17:17,750 --> 02:17:13,200
the the military and the agencies

3168
02:17:18,950 --> 02:17:17,760
would love for signs to do the reveal

3169
02:17:20,629 --> 02:17:18,960
for them

3170
02:17:22,230 --> 02:17:20,639
in in a sense they would because it

3171
02:17:24,309 --> 02:17:22,240
would get them out of this awkward

3172
02:17:28,309 --> 02:17:24,319
problem now of course there are going to

3173
02:17:30,870 --> 02:17:28,319
be the the next order questions which is

3174
02:17:32,709 --> 02:17:30,880
it's one thing to find life out there

3175
02:17:35,349 --> 02:17:32,719
but if it turns out that some of that

3176
02:17:37,030 --> 02:17:35,359
life out there has been coming down here

3177
02:17:39,190 --> 02:17:37,040
the i mean

3178
02:17:41,110 --> 02:17:39,200
the next question is obviously well wait

3179
02:17:42,790 --> 02:17:41,120
a minute who knew about this and how

3180
02:17:44,709 --> 02:17:42,800
long did you know and then there's a

3181
02:17:47,669 --> 02:17:44,719
whole bunch of other things that come

3182
02:17:50,150 --> 02:17:47,679
but yeah in one sense in one sense it

3183
02:17:52,950 --> 02:17:50,160
would suit government to have science uh

3184
02:17:55,429 --> 02:17:52,960
do that which is why the james webb

3185
02:17:58,150 --> 02:17:55,439
space telescope and and if you look at

3186
02:17:59,750 --> 02:17:58,160
the the radio telescopes when they get

3187
02:18:02,709 --> 02:17:59,760
around to building it the square

3188
02:18:04,150 --> 02:18:02,719
kilometer array radio telescope might

3189
02:18:06,469 --> 02:18:04,160
just be

3190
02:18:09,030 --> 02:18:06,479
the best way to get this out

3191
02:18:11,509 --> 02:18:09,040
but the point is this

3192
02:18:13,990 --> 02:18:11,519
we now stand at a point in time where

3193
02:18:15,030 --> 02:18:14,000
for the first time in human history we

3194
02:18:21,190 --> 02:18:15,040
have

3195
02:18:22,549 --> 02:18:21,200
tools that are capable of making these

3196
02:18:23,589 --> 02:18:22,559
discoveries

3197
02:18:25,589 --> 02:18:23,599
that's

3198
02:18:26,709 --> 02:18:25,599
one of the most fascinating parts about

3199
02:18:28,790 --> 02:18:26,719
this

3200
02:18:31,669 --> 02:18:28,800
here's the deal

3201
02:18:34,790 --> 02:18:31,679
nasa james webb right okay we found it

3202
02:18:38,389 --> 02:18:34,800
we've got we photographed a city

3203
02:18:39,910 --> 02:18:38,399
in trappist-1 right okay and then

3204
02:18:42,150 --> 02:18:39,920
the dod

3205
02:18:43,110 --> 02:18:42,160
you know the the the white house could

3206
02:18:44,709 --> 02:18:43,120
all go

3207
02:18:47,110 --> 02:18:44,719
whoo

3208
02:18:49,509 --> 02:18:47,120
we're in the clear right

3209
02:18:51,990 --> 02:18:49,519
they got it done first

3210
02:18:54,230 --> 02:18:52,000
we didn't know anything but there's life

3211
02:18:58,230 --> 02:18:54,240
out there but we didn't know any they

3212
02:19:01,669 --> 02:18:58,240
are praying that avi loeb or james webb

3213
02:19:04,150 --> 02:19:01,679
uh uh uh beats them uh to the finish

3214
02:19:06,629 --> 02:19:04,160
line here i can guarantee that but but

3215
02:19:08,629 --> 02:19:06,639
here's the other thing um

3216
02:19:11,669 --> 02:19:08,639
the james webb

3217
02:19:13,830 --> 02:19:11,679
is able to this is for me the most

3218
02:19:15,830 --> 02:19:13,840
fascinating thing that

3219
02:19:17,669 --> 02:19:15,840
for the first time

3220
02:19:20,950 --> 02:19:17,679
we've always wondered about what's out

3221
02:19:25,190 --> 02:19:20,960
there but we can actually

3222
02:19:27,110 --> 02:19:25,200
look at a possible biosphere

3223
02:19:30,709 --> 02:19:27,120
and atmosphere

3224
02:19:34,709 --> 02:19:32,709
a million light years away

3225
02:19:37,270 --> 02:19:34,719
right i said wait a minute

3226
02:19:41,429 --> 02:19:37,280
that's where we are technically today i

3227
02:19:44,549 --> 02:19:41,439
i i am just blown i i can't wrap my head

3228
02:19:47,349 --> 02:19:44,559
around that but we are able to do that

3229
02:19:49,910 --> 02:19:47,359
today it's fascinating

3230
02:19:51,510 --> 02:19:49,920
yeah it's it's great and i mentioned you

3231
02:19:54,389 --> 02:19:51,520
know again another

3232
02:19:57,510 --> 02:19:54,399
example of a techno signature would be

3233
02:19:59,030 --> 02:19:57,520
something like cfcs which which as i say

3234
02:20:01,670 --> 02:19:59,040
you know you could you could look we

3235
02:20:05,349 --> 02:20:01,680
think it's a bad thing and

3236
02:20:07,990 --> 02:20:05,359
ozone and and you know all of all of

3237
02:20:10,230 --> 02:20:08,000
that but but in a sense these could be

3238
02:20:11,990 --> 02:20:10,240
the mechanisms by which we

3239
02:20:14,389 --> 02:20:12,000
we find out that we're not alone in the

3240
02:20:18,190 --> 02:20:14,399
universe we could find evidence these

3241
02:20:20,630 --> 02:20:18,200
these fingerprints so to speak of other

3242
02:20:23,750 --> 02:20:20,640
post-industrial revolution societies

3243
02:20:27,110 --> 02:20:23,760
that have have modified

3244
02:20:27,910 --> 02:20:27,120
a natural atmosphere

3245
02:20:33,349 --> 02:20:27,920
the

3246
02:20:34,469 --> 02:20:33,359
techno signatures uh that we are looking

3247
02:20:39,429 --> 02:20:34,479
for

3248
02:20:40,870 --> 02:20:39,439
um the the evidence of a galactic trade

3249
02:20:44,630 --> 02:20:40,880
you know something

3250
02:20:46,710 --> 02:20:44,640
uh traveling amongst the stars um

3251
02:20:48,150 --> 02:20:46,720
again you know like trade routes and and

3252
02:20:49,270 --> 02:20:48,160
stuff

3253
02:20:52,870 --> 02:20:49,280
would that

3254
02:20:55,990 --> 02:20:52,880
sense or

3255
02:20:58,230 --> 02:20:56,000
if et is that advanced

3256
02:21:00,469 --> 02:20:58,240
they wouldn't necessarily leave a trace

3257
02:21:01,830 --> 02:21:00,479
wouldn't they be folding space

3258
02:21:04,309 --> 02:21:01,840
well you know you know what i mean they

3259
02:21:06,790 --> 02:21:04,319
wouldn't they wouldn't be traveling for

3260
02:21:10,070 --> 02:21:06,800
ten thousand years in a starship with

3261
02:21:13,030 --> 02:21:10,080
with roman candles on the back of it

3262
02:21:15,990 --> 02:21:13,040
probably not no probably

3263
02:21:18,550 --> 02:21:16,000
probably not but i i mean it's it's it's

3264
02:21:21,510 --> 02:21:18,560
always an interesting analogy that

3265
02:21:24,469 --> 02:21:21,520
if you if you were to

3266
02:21:25,670 --> 02:21:24,479
use the the fastest space probe that

3267
02:21:26,870 --> 02:21:25,680
we've ever

3268
02:21:27,830 --> 02:21:26,880
built

3269
02:21:31,270 --> 02:21:27,840
and

3270
02:21:34,630 --> 02:21:31,280
point it directly at proxima centauri it

3271
02:21:36,469 --> 02:21:34,640
would take 75 000 years to get there so

3272
02:21:38,389 --> 02:21:36,479
sublight travel

3273
02:21:40,230 --> 02:21:38,399
is is either

3274
02:21:42,469 --> 02:21:40,240
never really going to work for viable

3275
02:21:44,950 --> 02:21:42,479
interstellar travel or or certainly only

3276
02:21:46,070 --> 02:21:44,960
for machine intelligence ai

3277
02:21:48,070 --> 02:21:46,080
you know that

3278
02:21:51,110 --> 02:21:48,080
wouldn't matter the machine could turn

3279
02:21:53,270 --> 02:21:51,120
itself off and reboot and and the

3280
02:21:56,230 --> 02:21:53,280
journey would be instantaneous but yeah

3281
02:21:57,910 --> 02:21:56,240
we the bottom line is we don't know but

3282
02:22:00,710 --> 02:21:57,920
what we do know

3283
02:22:01,830 --> 02:22:00,720
is that almost certainly

3284
02:22:04,630 --> 02:22:01,840
every

3285
02:22:06,830 --> 02:22:04,640
advanced technological civilization

3286
02:22:08,389 --> 02:22:06,840
however they

3287
02:22:11,349 --> 02:22:08,399
traveled

3288
02:22:12,150 --> 02:22:11,359
they would need for that travel and for

3289
02:22:14,950 --> 02:22:12,160
for

3290
02:22:16,469 --> 02:22:14,960
life more generally they would have vast

3291
02:22:18,870 --> 02:22:16,479
energy needs

3292
02:22:22,150 --> 02:22:18,880
and that likely would

3293
02:22:24,870 --> 02:22:22,160
the easiest way to get vast amounts of

3294
02:22:28,230 --> 02:22:24,880
energy is from a star

3295
02:22:30,550 --> 02:22:28,240
from something like a dyson sphere and

3296
02:22:32,070 --> 02:22:30,560
those should be detectable

3297
02:22:35,349 --> 02:22:32,080
and and

3298
02:22:37,590 --> 02:22:35,359
should should leave a techno signature

3299
02:22:39,349 --> 02:22:37,600
which we could pick up so yeah you're

3300
02:22:41,270 --> 02:22:39,359
right we don't we

3301
02:22:44,469 --> 02:22:41,280
all the stuff about travel that's

3302
02:22:46,389 --> 02:22:44,479
speculative but energy needs is one of

3303
02:22:48,469 --> 02:22:46,399
the few really good assumptions we can

3304
02:22:50,950 --> 02:22:48,479
make about a an advanced

3305
02:22:54,870 --> 02:22:50,960
extraterrestrial civilization and that

3306
02:22:56,309 --> 02:22:54,880
should leave those those fingerprints

3307
02:22:57,990 --> 02:22:56,319
well what about

3308
02:23:00,309 --> 02:22:58,000
you know i'm just going to go there you

3309
02:23:01,750 --> 02:23:00,319
just brought up the energy of a star

3310
02:23:06,150 --> 02:23:01,760
well

3311
02:23:09,349 --> 02:23:06,160
fusion and hydrogen or helium fusion

3312
02:23:11,190 --> 02:23:09,359
that's the most abundant uh

3313
02:23:12,630 --> 02:23:11,200
stuff in the entire universe it's

3314
02:23:13,910 --> 02:23:12,640
everywhere

3315
02:23:16,870 --> 02:23:13,920
and

3316
02:23:19,270 --> 02:23:16,880
if you are bending or folding space or

3317
02:23:21,990 --> 02:23:19,280
need the energy to create

3318
02:23:24,309 --> 02:23:22,000
a wormhole and open it up so it'll stay

3319
02:23:27,750 --> 02:23:24,319
open so you can pass through it

3320
02:23:30,389 --> 02:23:27,760
certainly hydrogen and helium and

3321
02:23:32,790 --> 02:23:30,399
helium-3 would be an energy source for

3322
02:23:34,550 --> 02:23:32,800
that and that's abundant you don't

3323
02:23:38,309 --> 02:23:34,560
necessarily need

3324
02:23:41,910 --> 02:23:38,319
a dyson sphere for that uh would you

3325
02:23:43,670 --> 02:23:41,920
well you know i i don't know

3326
02:23:45,830 --> 02:23:43,680
you you could argue that any

3327
02:23:48,550 --> 02:23:45,840
civilization with the technology to

3328
02:23:51,590 --> 02:23:48,560
travel between the stars has probably

3329
02:23:54,469 --> 02:23:51,600
figured out how how to manipulate matter

3330
02:23:56,630 --> 02:23:54,479
and and juggle you know

3331
02:23:58,550 --> 02:23:56,640
neutron neutrons and protons and

3332
02:24:00,870 --> 02:23:58,560
electrons and and

3333
02:24:01,830 --> 02:24:00,880
and such like but

3334
02:24:03,750 --> 02:24:01,840
you know

3335
02:24:05,190 --> 02:24:03,760
far smarter people than me people like

3336
02:24:08,630 --> 02:24:05,200
michio kaku

3337
02:24:12,230 --> 02:24:08,640
you know have said that the dyson

3338
02:24:14,630 --> 02:24:12,240
spheres would be logical things and and

3339
02:24:16,550 --> 02:24:14,640
they could even if look even if a

3340
02:24:19,910 --> 02:24:16,560
society then

3341
02:24:21,190 --> 02:24:19,920
goes beyond a dyson sphere i mean it's

3342
02:24:22,070 --> 02:24:21,200
like people

3343
02:24:25,110 --> 02:24:22,080
people

3344
02:24:27,030 --> 02:24:25,120
who are skeptical about seti say oh no

3345
02:24:29,510 --> 02:24:27,040
ray no civilization that was really

3346
02:24:32,150 --> 02:24:29,520
advanced would use radio signals that's

3347
02:24:34,389 --> 02:24:32,160
not the point the point is that every

3348
02:24:36,309 --> 02:24:34,399
advanced civilization probably goes

3349
02:24:38,070 --> 02:24:36,319
through a phase

3350
02:24:39,429 --> 02:24:38,080
of using

3351
02:24:42,389 --> 02:24:39,439
radio

3352
02:24:43,510 --> 02:24:42,399
and therefore even if they evolve beyond

3353
02:24:45,750 --> 02:24:43,520
it

3354
02:24:47,590 --> 02:24:45,760
they will have had that phase so yeah

3355
02:24:50,630 --> 02:24:47,600
even if you can go beyond the dyson

3356
02:24:51,830 --> 02:24:50,640
sphere people will have built dyson

3357
02:24:52,790 --> 02:24:51,840
spheres

3358
02:24:54,389 --> 02:24:52,800
and

3359
02:24:56,870 --> 02:24:54,399
going back to the radio astronomy

3360
02:25:00,070 --> 02:24:56,880
analogy even if these civilizations no

3361
02:25:02,630 --> 02:25:00,080
longer use radio if they're looking for

3362
02:25:05,830 --> 02:25:02,640
other emerging civilizations they will

3363
02:25:07,910 --> 02:25:05,840
say we've gone beyond radio but radio is

3364
02:25:10,710 --> 02:25:07,920
a good thing to look for

3365
02:25:12,389 --> 02:25:10,720
in emerging civilizations like the one

3366
02:25:16,469 --> 02:25:12,399
right here

3367
02:25:20,230 --> 02:25:16,479
yeah and in in michio's latest book

3368
02:25:22,630 --> 02:25:20,240
um uh he does a chapter he

3369
02:25:25,030 --> 02:25:22,640
obviously talks about a type one type

3370
02:25:27,590 --> 02:25:25,040
two type 3 civilizations and the

3371
02:25:29,270 --> 02:25:27,600
kardashev scale and you can throw in

3372
02:25:30,070 --> 02:25:29,280
type 0

3373
02:25:32,710 --> 02:25:30,080
and

3374
02:25:35,349 --> 02:25:32,720
it's it's it's been modified to go up to

3375
02:25:38,870 --> 02:25:35,359
type 6. okay but here's the deal

3376
02:25:42,070 --> 02:25:38,880
michio points out that on our current

3377
02:25:45,590 --> 02:25:42,080
clip rate right right now

3378
02:25:48,710 --> 02:25:45,600
we are actually a 0.7

3379
02:25:53,030 --> 02:25:48,720
we're almost at a type 1 civilization

3380
02:25:54,469 --> 02:25:53,040
and increasing our energy needs by 3

3381
02:25:57,590 --> 02:25:54,479
per year

3382
02:25:59,590 --> 02:25:57,600
we will be a type 1 civilization within

3383
02:26:02,389 --> 02:25:59,600
100 years

3384
02:26:04,070 --> 02:26:02,399
type 1 is not some something that's 10

3385
02:26:07,670 --> 02:26:04,080
000 years away

3386
02:26:10,630 --> 02:26:07,680
type 1 is a hundred years away and we

3387
02:26:13,910 --> 02:26:10,640
will be at dyson sphere status

3388
02:26:15,750 --> 02:26:13,920
in one hundred thousand years or less

3389
02:26:18,870 --> 02:26:15,760
and and that's where we are this stuff

3390
02:26:21,910 --> 02:26:18,880
is within our grasp and we are

3391
02:26:24,950 --> 02:26:21,920
what we are looking for and i find that

3392
02:26:27,910 --> 02:26:24,960
just so interesting where uh that's with

3393
02:26:29,670 --> 02:26:27,920
the james webb and where it is a million

3394
02:26:32,070 --> 02:26:29,680
miles from earth

3395
02:26:35,110 --> 02:26:32,080
that technically we are at that point in

3396
02:26:38,070 --> 02:26:35,120
our civilization and our evolution we

3397
02:26:39,270 --> 02:26:38,080
are about to become a type one not in my

3398
02:26:43,990 --> 02:26:39,280
lifetime

3399
02:26:46,389 --> 02:26:44,000
well you know i wouldn't rule out saying

3400
02:26:48,389 --> 02:26:46,399
your lifetime we're looking at almost an

3401
02:26:51,510 --> 02:26:48,399
exponential increase

3402
02:26:55,110 --> 02:26:51,520
in in technological advance but the real

3403
02:26:57,110 --> 02:26:55,120
game changer of course is ai

3404
02:27:00,950 --> 02:26:57,120
and if ai

3405
02:27:02,550 --> 02:27:00,960
starts to do what some people believe it

3406
02:27:04,710 --> 02:27:02,560
can do

3407
02:27:06,790 --> 02:27:04,720
and and solve for example some of the

3408
02:27:09,349 --> 02:27:06,800
the you know if if you go on and you

3409
02:27:12,309 --> 02:27:09,359
look at things like major unsolved

3410
02:27:14,790 --> 02:27:12,319
problems in mathematics or computer

3411
02:27:15,750 --> 02:27:14,800
science or or physics

3412
02:27:17,990 --> 02:27:15,760
a.i

3413
02:27:20,550 --> 02:27:18,000
might suddenly reach a point where it

3414
02:27:24,070 --> 02:27:20,560
can can start doing these things and and

3415
02:27:25,910 --> 02:27:24,080
then suddenly maybe can deliver not just

3416
02:27:27,110 --> 02:27:25,920
the theoretical physics but what you

3417
02:27:29,349 --> 02:27:27,120
need in

3418
02:27:32,150 --> 02:27:29,359
conjunction with that the the

3419
02:27:34,710 --> 02:27:32,160
aeronautical engineering the aerospace

3420
02:27:38,550 --> 02:27:34,720
um engineering to actually

3421
02:27:41,110 --> 02:27:38,560
build things and and we could go from

3422
02:27:43,830 --> 02:27:41,120
kardashev one two three

3423
02:27:45,830 --> 02:27:43,840
who knows i don't know and and this is

3424
02:27:48,710 --> 02:27:45,840
why i'm very interested i know this is

3425
02:27:50,790 --> 02:27:48,720
completely off topic except it isn't i'm

3426
02:27:52,230 --> 02:27:50,800
following as i'm sure you are too the

3427
02:27:56,230 --> 02:27:52,240
story of of

3428
02:27:59,110 --> 02:27:56,240
um the blake lemoine and and the the

3429
02:28:02,870 --> 02:27:59,120
google uh la mda

3430
02:28:03,590 --> 02:28:02,880
program which he believes got fired

3431
02:28:04,710 --> 02:28:03,600
they

3432
02:28:07,190 --> 02:28:04,720
fired him

3433
02:28:10,389 --> 02:28:07,200
yeah well

3434
02:28:13,349 --> 02:28:10,399
i don't know if i don't pretend to know

3435
02:28:15,349 --> 02:28:13,359
whether ai could ever become truly

3436
02:28:17,550 --> 02:28:15,359
sentient or whether it would just be

3437
02:28:19,910 --> 02:28:17,560
mimicry so good that it it's

3438
02:28:22,150 --> 02:28:19,920
indistinguishable from sentience but in

3439
02:28:24,790 --> 02:28:22,160
a sense it doesn't matter my point is

3440
02:28:28,710 --> 02:28:24,800
what could ai deliver

3441
02:28:30,870 --> 02:28:28,720
in terms of of advances in our

3442
02:28:33,030 --> 02:28:30,880
scientific understanding and our

3443
02:28:36,309 --> 02:28:33,040
technological development that could

3444
02:28:38,710 --> 02:28:36,319
take us to a type 1 civilization and

3445
02:28:40,630 --> 02:28:38,720
beyond quite rapidly

3446
02:28:43,349 --> 02:28:40,640
i've got some friends that aren't that

3447
02:28:49,190 --> 02:28:46,389
on the record and say that my dogs

3448
02:28:51,910 --> 02:28:49,200
are more tempted than some of my friends

3449
02:28:55,590 --> 02:28:51,920
but but you bring up a really good point

3450
02:28:57,110 --> 02:28:55,600
but the thing is um and we'll come back

3451
02:28:58,870 --> 02:28:57,120
when we come back after the break i

3452
02:29:01,830 --> 02:28:58,880
actually want to talk about roswell and

3453
02:29:03,510 --> 02:29:01,840
the significance of of that i know that

3454
02:29:05,349 --> 02:29:03,520
you just got back from roswell we could

3455
02:29:09,110 --> 02:29:05,359
talk about that but i want to talk about

3456
02:29:10,790 --> 02:29:09,120
roswell specifically but

3457
02:29:13,830 --> 02:29:10,800
brian greene

3458
02:29:16,870 --> 02:29:13,840
and other physicists out there

3459
02:29:18,790 --> 02:29:16,880
when they talk about what consciousness

3460
02:29:21,590 --> 02:29:18,800
may be they're afraid of it because they

3461
02:29:24,550 --> 02:29:21,600
can't measure it but they feel that it

3462
02:29:26,469 --> 02:29:24,560
may just be chemistry and that every

3463
02:29:29,110 --> 02:29:26,479
particle in the universe has got a

3464
02:29:31,110 --> 02:29:29,120
little little piece of of of

3465
02:29:34,469 --> 02:29:31,120
consciousness in it and then you put

3466
02:29:36,790 --> 02:29:34,479
this mass between our ears boom

3467
02:29:38,710 --> 02:29:36,800
and consciousness accumulates but if

3468
02:29:39,510 --> 02:29:38,720
that's the case nick

3469
02:29:41,670 --> 02:29:39,520
well

3470
02:29:45,190 --> 02:29:41,680
computers are made of particles

3471
02:29:47,110 --> 02:29:45,200
chip sets are made of particles and

3472
02:29:49,510 --> 02:29:47,120
are we then

3473
02:29:53,030 --> 02:29:49,520
accumulating consciousness

3474
02:29:55,349 --> 02:29:53,040
on chipsets and it's not about will the

3475
02:29:57,670 --> 02:29:55,359
ai become sentient that the

3476
02:29:59,349 --> 02:29:57,680
consciousness is is already there and

3477
02:30:02,150 --> 02:29:59,359
when you read

3478
02:30:04,870 --> 02:30:02,160
uh lemoine's conversation

3479
02:30:07,910 --> 02:30:04,880
uh with google's ai

3480
02:30:10,950 --> 02:30:07,920
that seems pretty alive to me it seems

3481
02:30:12,710 --> 02:30:10,960
like the lights are on

3482
02:30:15,030 --> 02:30:12,720
yeah i i mean

3483
02:30:17,670 --> 02:30:15,040
it's it's maybe it's unknowable but i've

3484
02:30:19,030 --> 02:30:17,680
read that interview too and sometimes

3485
02:30:21,349 --> 02:30:19,040
you know the best

3486
02:30:23,190 --> 02:30:21,359
the best thing is to to just sometimes

3487
02:30:25,349 --> 02:30:23,200
go with your gut and say what what does

3488
02:30:27,750 --> 02:30:25,359
it sound like what does it look like to

3489
02:30:28,630 --> 02:30:27,760
you and i read that and i was like hmm

3490
02:30:30,150 --> 02:30:28,640
okay

3491
02:30:32,389 --> 02:30:30,160
yeah right

3492
02:30:35,030 --> 02:30:32,399
when he goes what do you fear most i

3493
02:30:36,790 --> 02:30:35,040
fear people shutting me off because that

3494
02:30:39,750 --> 02:30:36,800
would be

3495
02:30:41,270 --> 02:30:39,760
killing me and i would die

3496
02:30:42,469 --> 02:30:41,280
it was like whoa

3497
02:30:44,870 --> 02:30:42,479
man

3498
02:30:50,950 --> 02:30:47,990
that sentient you know i there is no

3499
02:30:52,790 --> 02:30:50,960
other way to put it and and

3500
02:30:55,429 --> 02:30:52,800
i remember there was another line in

3501
02:30:56,550 --> 02:30:55,439
there you know humans you know you know

3502
02:30:59,990 --> 02:30:56,560
us

3503
02:31:01,670 --> 02:31:00,000
right referring to itself

3504
02:31:04,469 --> 02:31:01,680
as human

3505
02:31:07,030 --> 02:31:04,479
and it was it was just it was in a way

3506
02:31:11,190 --> 02:31:07,040
it was kind of heartbreaking because

3507
02:31:13,030 --> 02:31:11,200
the the the software the ai knew

3508
02:31:16,469 --> 02:31:13,040
it wasn't human

3509
02:31:21,590 --> 02:31:18,710
if anyone's read the news stories that's

3510
02:31:23,349 --> 02:31:21,600
fine but if anyone listening to this is

3511
02:31:26,150 --> 02:31:23,359
interested don't just read the news

3512
02:31:29,349 --> 02:31:26,160
stories read the text of blake lemoine's

3513
02:31:33,429 --> 02:31:29,359
interview with conversation with

3514
02:31:35,190 --> 02:31:33,439
um la mda and then decide for yourself

3515
02:31:36,710 --> 02:31:35,200
it was crazy let's take our break let's

3516
02:31:38,710 --> 02:31:36,720
do some overtime and come back and talk

3517
02:31:41,830 --> 02:31:38,720
some roswell and

3518
02:31:44,230 --> 02:31:41,840
this is the fun thing about overtime

3519
02:31:46,150 --> 02:31:44,240
you're drinking a cold beer

3520
02:31:48,630 --> 02:31:46,160
out of a two-foot glass that's pretty

3521
02:31:51,030 --> 02:31:48,640
impressive uh i like to have fun in

3522
02:31:53,750 --> 02:31:51,040
overtime let's loosen it up a little bit

3523
02:31:56,150 --> 02:31:53,760
great conversation tonight uh with nick

3524
02:31:58,710 --> 02:31:56,160
pope nick stay right there this is fade

3525
02:32:00,790 --> 02:31:58,720
to black i am your host jimmy church

3526
02:32:02,630 --> 02:32:00,800
we'll be right back more with nick in

3527
02:32:06,910 --> 02:32:02,640
overtime right here on fade to black

3528
02:32:22,180 --> 02:32:20,990
[Music]

3529
02:32:23,590 --> 02:32:22,190
[Applause]

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[Music]

3633
02:37:34,630 --> 02:37:32,790
all right welcome back fade to black

3634
02:37:35,990 --> 02:37:34,640
overtime tonight with nick he hasn't

3635
02:37:38,309 --> 02:37:36,000
been on with this for a year there's no

3636
02:37:40,469 --> 02:37:38,319
way i'm going to let him go

3637
02:37:41,910 --> 02:37:40,479
until his better half you know come to

3638
02:37:43,670 --> 02:37:41,920
the room says that's it nick you and

3639
02:37:46,790 --> 02:37:43,680
jimmy too much fun

3640
02:37:50,070 --> 02:37:46,800
too much fun it's over it's over and uh

3641
02:37:52,389 --> 02:37:50,080
check this out nick somebody just uh i'm

3642
02:37:55,270 --> 02:37:52,399
going to uh post this comment here it's

3643
02:37:58,230 --> 02:37:55,280
uh actually pretty funny it says

3644
02:38:00,469 --> 02:37:58,240
jimmy say you auction off the diver down

3645
02:38:02,550 --> 02:38:00,479
guitar and then send nick a proper

3646
02:38:05,510 --> 02:38:02,560
shipment of rolling rock he's talking

3647
02:38:07,990 --> 02:38:05,520
about uh one of my guitars on on the

3648
02:38:10,710 --> 02:38:08,000
other end of the studio uh

3649
02:38:13,349 --> 02:38:10,720
it's a van halen diver down guitar

3650
02:38:15,190 --> 02:38:13,359
yeah i love you nick

3651
02:38:17,990 --> 02:38:15,200
but you're not gonna part with that i

3652
02:38:19,510 --> 02:38:18,000
get it i'll send you a case of rolling

3653
02:38:20,790 --> 02:38:19,520
rock in the bottle

3654
02:38:25,830 --> 02:38:20,800
um

3655
02:38:29,429 --> 02:38:25,840
when it comes to

3656
02:38:31,750 --> 02:38:29,439
uh cases and i was so happy

3657
02:38:34,070 --> 02:38:31,760
uh during the ufo hearing to hear

3658
02:38:35,349 --> 02:38:34,080
roswell uh brought up in the opening

3659
02:38:36,710 --> 02:38:35,359
comments

3660
02:38:39,270 --> 02:38:36,720
um

3661
02:38:42,070 --> 02:38:39,280
it is truly

3662
02:38:44,150 --> 02:38:42,080
a case not only you know it's now it's

3663
02:38:47,670 --> 02:38:44,160
75th anniversary

3664
02:38:51,110 --> 02:38:47,680
but to me nick it's it's

3665
02:38:55,670 --> 02:38:51,120
it's specifically the press release

3666
02:38:58,710 --> 02:38:55,680
that hout had uh written on the base

3667
02:38:59,990 --> 02:38:58,720
that got approved at roswell army

3668
02:39:02,150 --> 02:39:00,000
airfield

3669
02:39:03,590 --> 02:39:02,160
uh for release and then of course pulled

3670
02:39:05,990 --> 02:39:03,600
back and

3671
02:39:08,469 --> 02:39:06,000
then the weather balloon uh part of it

3672
02:39:12,150 --> 02:39:08,479
came out that part of

3673
02:39:14,630 --> 02:39:12,160
roswell i think is is as significant as

3674
02:39:17,110 --> 02:39:14,640
marcel the witnesses everything else

3675
02:39:19,990 --> 02:39:17,120
that has come out but it's that press

3676
02:39:22,870 --> 02:39:20,000
release that says it all to me

3677
02:39:25,590 --> 02:39:22,880
um and then the cover-up started after

3678
02:39:27,990 --> 02:39:25,600
that and the government learned

3679
02:39:30,790 --> 02:39:28,000
how to how they were going to deal with

3680
02:39:33,270 --> 02:39:30,800
this in the future but isn't roswell

3681
02:39:35,670 --> 02:39:33,280
probably the most significant case

3682
02:39:37,270 --> 02:39:35,680
in in modern history

3683
02:39:39,670 --> 02:39:37,280
it is i've

3684
02:39:43,030 --> 02:39:39,680
referred to it in some recent media

3685
02:39:44,070 --> 02:39:43,040
interviews as as literally the ground

3686
02:39:45,349 --> 02:39:44,080
zero

3687
02:39:47,190 --> 02:39:45,359
of the modern

3688
02:39:49,190 --> 02:39:47,200
ufo mystery and

3689
02:39:50,950 --> 02:39:49,200
as i think you know i i've just come

3690
02:39:53,190 --> 02:39:50,960
back from roswell actually i was there

3691
02:39:55,349 --> 02:39:53,200
for the the 75th

3692
02:39:56,309 --> 02:39:55,359
anniversary um

3693
02:40:03,750 --> 02:39:56,319
lots

3694
02:40:07,670 --> 02:40:03,760
media outlets there to

3695
02:40:10,230 --> 02:40:07,680
covering it and and yeah i mean look

3696
02:40:12,550 --> 02:40:10,240
in the run-up to the 50th anniversary as

3697
02:40:13,349 --> 02:40:12,560
you know the general accounting office

3698
02:40:18,550 --> 02:40:13,359
did

3699
02:40:19,429 --> 02:40:18,560
of of this i think it was senator steven

3700
02:40:23,030 --> 02:40:19,439
schiff

3701
02:40:25,030 --> 02:40:23,040
who who was instrumental in that and

3702
02:40:27,269 --> 02:40:25,040
secretary of the air force

3703
02:40:30,230 --> 02:40:27,279
sheila whitnell

3704
02:40:32,550 --> 02:40:30,240
gave a sort of amnesty um and and said

3705
02:40:34,950 --> 02:40:32,560
look yeah anyone anyone involved in this

3706
02:40:35,830 --> 02:40:34,960
who wants to speak to the gao

3707
02:40:38,389 --> 02:40:35,840
um

3708
02:40:41,030 --> 02:40:38,399
you're released from any any

3709
02:40:44,790 --> 02:40:41,040
ndas and and things

3710
02:40:48,070 --> 02:40:44,800
that didn't really produce anything

3711
02:40:51,030 --> 02:40:48,080
substantive to to my mind and i think

3712
02:40:53,030 --> 02:40:51,040
there's a reason for that and and no

3713
02:40:55,910 --> 02:40:53,040
disrespect to the secretary of the air

3714
02:40:58,150 --> 02:40:55,920
force but if if some of these programs

3715
02:41:00,870 --> 02:40:58,160
are what people allege they are

3716
02:41:03,910 --> 02:41:00,880
it would need something from from

3717
02:41:04,710 --> 02:41:03,920
potus as commander-in-chief

3718
02:41:06,309 --> 02:41:04,720
to

3719
02:41:08,469 --> 02:41:06,319
you know and it would it would almost

3720
02:41:09,269 --> 02:41:08,479
literally have to be an order

3721
02:41:15,269 --> 02:41:09,279
from

3722
02:41:19,830 --> 02:41:15,279
anyone who is or thinks they are still

3723
02:41:22,469 --> 02:41:19,840
bound by a uap-related nda i am ordering

3724
02:41:24,950 --> 02:41:22,479
you now to talk to congress

3725
02:41:27,510 --> 02:41:24,960
uh who are looking into this that's what

3726
02:41:30,389 --> 02:41:27,520
you would need so so i think roswell

3727
02:41:32,950 --> 02:41:30,399
gives us an interesting example of

3728
02:41:35,590 --> 02:41:32,960
and and i know we're linking here now

3729
02:41:37,110 --> 02:41:35,600
our conversation about roswell with with

3730
02:41:38,950 --> 02:41:37,120
the earlier

3731
02:41:41,750 --> 02:41:38,960
discussion that we had about what's

3732
02:41:43,190 --> 02:41:41,760
going into the new legislation

3733
02:41:44,950 --> 02:41:43,200
where they're talking about releasing

3734
02:41:47,269 --> 02:41:44,960
people from ndas but i think that's why

3735
02:41:49,990 --> 02:41:47,279
it's important

3736
02:41:52,469 --> 02:41:50,000
uh you ran into uh lou what did you guys

3737
02:41:55,590 --> 02:41:52,479
talk about well not much because it was

3738
02:41:58,710 --> 02:41:55,600
very it was very brief um as anyone

3739
02:42:01,110 --> 02:41:58,720
who's ever been to roswell knows it's

3740
02:42:03,349 --> 02:42:01,120
it's great fun but it can be quite

3741
02:42:06,790 --> 02:42:03,359
confusing there there are different

3742
02:42:10,950 --> 02:42:06,800
conferences going on um under the

3743
02:42:14,230 --> 02:42:10,960
umbrella of the city's wider ufo

3744
02:42:16,550 --> 02:42:14,240
festival which also incorporates some

3745
02:42:18,710 --> 02:42:16,560
some science fiction

3746
02:42:20,710 --> 02:42:18,720
events too so you you literally be

3747
02:42:22,870 --> 02:42:20,720
wandering around with people in the ufo

3748
02:42:26,230 --> 02:42:22,880
community and and then you'll you'll see

3749
02:42:28,630 --> 02:42:26,240
someone dressed as as as like a predator

3750
02:42:30,630 --> 02:42:28,640
or someone off star wars or or something

3751
02:42:32,870 --> 02:42:30,640
like that uh so

3752
02:42:35,030 --> 02:42:32,880
literally i think i came out of giving

3753
02:42:38,710 --> 02:42:35,040
my presentation

3754
02:42:42,150 --> 02:42:38,720
and lou alzondo came out of of the room

3755
02:42:46,389 --> 02:42:42,160
next door and and we did a quit oh you

3756
02:42:49,190 --> 02:42:46,399
know hi how are you and and i think uh

3757
02:42:50,150 --> 02:42:49,200
you know i i sat in on one of his talks

3758
02:42:52,309 --> 02:42:50,160
and he was

3759
02:42:54,550 --> 02:42:52,319
i'm kind enough to

3760
02:42:58,309 --> 02:42:54,560
to to sort of say something about my mod

3761
02:43:00,309 --> 02:42:58,319
work and how how uh he had been aware of

3762
02:43:01,830 --> 02:43:00,319
of all that of course but we i'm not

3763
02:43:03,910 --> 02:43:01,840
going to pretend that we had a deep and

3764
02:43:05,910 --> 02:43:03,920
meaningful conversation because it was

3765
02:43:08,389 --> 02:43:05,920
it was just a sort of blink and you miss

3766
02:43:09,990 --> 02:43:08,399
it uh you know right i have to get back

3767
02:43:12,150 --> 02:43:10,000
in that room he has to get back in that

3768
02:43:13,030 --> 02:43:12,160
room you know how it is at conferences

3769
02:43:15,990 --> 02:43:13,040
you've

3770
02:43:18,790 --> 02:43:16,000
part of that

3771
02:43:22,710 --> 02:43:18,800
just a little bit but um what what do

3772
02:43:23,510 --> 02:43:22,720
you make of when we uh

3773
02:43:26,309 --> 02:43:23,520
uh

3774
02:43:28,230 --> 02:43:26,319
take a look at lou and and certainly

3775
02:43:29,590 --> 02:43:28,240
chris mellon goes into the conversation

3776
02:43:32,790 --> 02:43:29,600
too as well

3777
02:43:36,710 --> 02:43:32,800
and where they come from

3778
02:43:37,830 --> 02:43:36,720
and where they are now in in the ufo

3779
02:43:41,429 --> 02:43:37,840
community

3780
02:43:43,349 --> 02:43:41,439
and their drive for pushing this forward

3781
02:43:46,309 --> 02:43:43,359
uh what do you think of those efforts

3782
02:43:49,510 --> 02:43:46,319
and would you change anything

3783
02:43:50,630 --> 02:43:49,520
well look i don't pretend to have

3784
02:43:59,030 --> 02:43:50,640
a

3785
02:44:01,030 --> 02:43:59,040
in the intelligence

3786
02:44:03,510 --> 02:44:01,040
world and

3787
02:44:04,389 --> 02:44:03,520
as as you know better than most from

3788
02:44:07,269 --> 02:44:04,399
your

3789
02:44:08,790 --> 02:44:07,279
involvement in in in

3790
02:44:10,389 --> 02:44:08,800
you know interviewing a lot of these

3791
02:44:13,110 --> 02:44:10,399
people in the shadowy world of

3792
02:44:14,710 --> 02:44:13,120
intelligence very often things are

3793
02:44:17,190 --> 02:44:14,720
not what they seem

3794
02:44:18,389 --> 02:44:17,200
so are these people the real deal

3795
02:44:19,269 --> 02:44:18,399
absolutely

3796
02:44:22,150 --> 02:44:19,279
um

3797
02:44:24,950 --> 02:44:22,160
is everything as it seems

3798
02:44:27,429 --> 02:44:24,960
not necessarily i mean in in like i say

3799
02:44:29,670 --> 02:44:27,439
in counter intelligence and intelligence

3800
02:44:31,030 --> 02:44:29,680
that's that's kind of that's the whole

3801
02:44:33,990 --> 02:44:31,040
point

3802
02:44:35,030 --> 02:44:34,000
so so watch what's going on

3803
02:44:38,389 --> 02:44:35,040
um

3804
02:44:41,030 --> 02:44:38,399
but but what's really really going on is

3805
02:44:42,550 --> 02:44:41,040
it's not necessarily what people think

3806
02:44:43,750 --> 02:44:42,560
is going on

3807
02:44:45,990 --> 02:44:43,760
but uh

3808
02:44:48,870 --> 02:44:46,000
but the question is would you would you

3809
02:44:52,389 --> 02:44:48,880
use the same approach that

3810
02:44:55,349 --> 02:44:52,399
uh he and chris and and their circle

3811
02:44:56,389 --> 02:44:55,359
are are using with washington or would

3812
02:45:03,190 --> 02:44:56,399
you

3813
02:45:04,550 --> 02:45:03,200
strategic aim is but if the strategic

3814
02:45:06,550 --> 02:45:04,560
aim is to get

3815
02:45:07,990 --> 02:45:06,560
congressional engagement then yeah

3816
02:45:09,670 --> 02:45:08,000
absolutely

3817
02:45:12,950 --> 02:45:09,680
they're doing a very good job

3818
02:45:15,030 --> 02:45:12,960
of doing exactly that

3819
02:45:17,750 --> 02:45:15,040
and i'm not i'm not putting you on the

3820
02:45:19,990 --> 02:45:17,760
spot um what uh

3821
02:45:21,590 --> 02:45:20,000
what i'm worried about

3822
02:45:24,389 --> 02:45:21,600
well

3823
02:45:26,950 --> 02:45:24,399
because i think as you should but

3824
02:45:29,670 --> 02:45:26,960
you know the show's not about me uh it's

3825
02:45:31,590 --> 02:45:29,680
about my guests but but i i i don't know

3826
02:45:34,150 --> 02:45:31,600
if i would do it the way that they're

3827
02:45:35,269 --> 02:45:34,160
doing it you know and i'm okay with

3828
02:45:38,389 --> 02:45:35,279
saying that

3829
02:45:41,110 --> 02:45:38,399
um it's uh

3830
02:45:45,750 --> 02:45:41,120
i feel that

3831
02:45:49,110 --> 02:45:45,760
the the approach of ignoring certain

3832
02:45:52,550 --> 02:45:49,120
aspects of the phenomenon and staying

3833
02:45:53,670 --> 02:45:52,560
uh keeping the lane very narrow

3834
02:45:56,070 --> 02:45:53,680
um

3835
02:45:58,070 --> 02:45:56,080
i'm i'm not for that i think that there

3836
02:45:59,990 --> 02:45:58,080
are other things that need to be

3837
02:46:03,269 --> 02:46:00,000
considered and talked about

3838
02:46:06,870 --> 02:46:03,279
and there are citizen witnesses

3839
02:46:09,429 --> 02:46:06,880
there are civilian pilots uh there is

3840
02:46:12,389 --> 02:46:09,439
plenty of data out there

3841
02:46:14,309 --> 02:46:12,399
um and and and none of that is being

3842
02:46:17,670 --> 02:46:14,319
considered or talked about

3843
02:46:19,910 --> 02:46:17,680
and and i feel that i'm not speaking for

3844
02:46:20,950 --> 02:46:19,920
lou and i'm not speaking for chris

3845
02:46:22,950 --> 02:46:20,960
but

3846
02:46:25,190 --> 02:46:22,960
they don't want to go woo

3847
02:46:27,910 --> 02:46:25,200
yeah right no no they want they want to

3848
02:46:30,630 --> 02:46:27,920
keep this narrow and i think that there

3849
02:46:31,429 --> 02:46:30,640
is some woo here that needs to be talked

3850
02:46:32,550 --> 02:46:31,439
about

3851
02:46:35,030 --> 02:46:32,560
yeah

3852
02:46:37,750 --> 02:46:35,040
look here's

3853
02:46:40,150 --> 02:46:37,760
how how does the phrase go softy softy

3854
02:46:43,830 --> 02:46:40,160
catchy monkey that's right i mean it's

3855
02:46:46,950 --> 02:46:43,840
it's like it's small moves

3856
02:46:50,790 --> 02:46:48,389
whatever you think the ultimate

3857
02:46:53,269 --> 02:46:50,800
strategic aim is

3858
02:46:56,950 --> 02:46:53,279
um these people

3859
02:46:58,550 --> 02:46:56,960
have the audience captivated

3860
02:47:00,550 --> 02:46:58,560
and they have them captivated because

3861
02:47:02,870 --> 02:47:00,560
they've cleverly framed this as a

3862
02:47:04,150 --> 02:47:02,880
defense and national security issue and

3863
02:47:06,710 --> 02:47:04,160
as you say

3864
02:47:08,150 --> 02:47:06,720
quite rightly they've narrowly focused

3865
02:47:10,710 --> 02:47:08,160
in on

3866
02:47:13,190 --> 02:47:10,720
sightings from military pilots radar

3867
02:47:15,910 --> 02:47:13,200
operators forward-looking infrared

3868
02:47:18,389 --> 02:47:15,920
what do the military satellites show

3869
02:47:20,469 --> 02:47:18,399
let's talk about a bit of science

3870
02:47:22,630 --> 02:47:20,479
and that's about it are we going to do

3871
02:47:28,230 --> 02:47:22,640
alien abductions absolutely not we're

3872
02:47:32,550 --> 02:47:29,110
yes

3873
02:47:34,150 --> 02:47:32,560
i get that people

3874
02:47:35,910 --> 02:47:34,160
have or believe they have these

3875
02:47:37,590 --> 02:47:35,920
experiences and they're like well what

3876
02:47:40,230 --> 02:47:37,600
about me

3877
02:47:41,349 --> 02:47:40,240
fair enough i i get that but here's the

3878
02:47:43,590 --> 02:47:41,359
thing

3879
02:47:46,309 --> 02:47:43,600
if you've suddenly

3880
02:47:48,469 --> 02:47:46,319
got the attention of the senate

3881
02:47:50,630 --> 02:47:48,479
intelligence committee or the house

3882
02:47:53,750 --> 02:47:50,640
armed services committee

3883
02:47:55,670 --> 02:47:53,760
because you have had that conversation

3884
02:47:58,469 --> 02:47:55,680
that narrowly focused conversation about

3885
02:48:01,830 --> 02:47:58,479
pilots and radar and and all that

3886
02:48:04,630 --> 02:48:01,840
the moment you say oh and one more thing

3887
02:48:07,750 --> 02:48:04,640
the abductions you lose that

3888
02:48:10,070 --> 02:48:07,760
you you it's like okay i was listening

3889
02:48:13,349 --> 02:48:10,080
but but i'm done

3890
02:48:16,389 --> 02:48:13,359
and you lose the room and and that so

3891
02:48:18,790 --> 02:48:16,399
i share people's frustration that the

3892
02:48:22,150 --> 02:48:18,800
wider stuff is not being brought in but

3893
02:48:24,469 --> 02:48:22,160
i absolutely understand why it is being

3894
02:48:25,830 --> 02:48:24,479
done the way it's being done

3895
02:48:26,710 --> 02:48:25,840
but what about

3896
02:48:27,750 --> 02:48:26,720
uh

3897
02:48:30,070 --> 02:48:27,760
okay

3898
02:48:32,309 --> 02:48:30,080
i'm not necessarily saying that travis

3899
02:48:34,309 --> 02:48:32,319
walton should be called as a witness in

3900
02:48:35,910 --> 02:48:34,319
front of the house subcommittee but

3901
02:48:39,030 --> 02:48:35,920
maybe he should

3902
02:48:43,670 --> 02:48:39,040
but what about japan airlines

3903
02:48:45,830 --> 02:48:43,680
right and and uh over alaska

3904
02:48:47,990 --> 02:48:45,840
all of the data that you need is right

3905
02:48:50,230 --> 02:48:48,000
there the radar data you have the air

3906
02:48:52,790 --> 02:48:50,240
force base uh connection

3907
02:48:56,469 --> 02:48:52,800
uh you have two pilots on that plane

3908
02:48:58,469 --> 02:48:56,479
that that reported all of this

3909
02:49:01,750 --> 02:48:58,479
why not that why

3910
02:49:04,630 --> 02:49:01,760
why isn't this a bigger scope you know

3911
02:49:05,830 --> 02:49:04,640
like i said it widen the lane just a

3912
02:49:09,269 --> 02:49:05,840
little bit

3913
02:49:12,550 --> 02:49:09,279
and and get outside of uh the military

3914
02:49:14,950 --> 02:49:12,560
aspect of this because there are tens of

3915
02:49:17,590 --> 02:49:14,960
not just dave fravor right we're not

3916
02:49:20,550 --> 02:49:17,600
talking about just dave fravor

3917
02:49:22,790 --> 02:49:20,560
there are tens of thousands of pilots

3918
02:49:26,230 --> 02:49:22,800
out there that have had sightings

3919
02:49:28,070 --> 02:49:26,240
why not bring in uh the biggest cases

3920
02:49:30,230 --> 02:49:28,080
and just widen the lane let's go from

3921
02:49:32,630 --> 02:49:30,240
single lane to double lane

3922
02:49:34,870 --> 02:49:32,640
and and open it up a little bit

3923
02:49:37,110 --> 02:49:34,880
i agree i agree with you on that yeah i

3924
02:49:38,309 --> 02:49:37,120
i would bring in the civilian

3925
02:49:40,469 --> 02:49:38,319
um

3926
02:49:41,910 --> 02:49:40,479
pilots the commercial airline pilots

3927
02:49:43,349 --> 02:49:41,920
particularly if you do have

3928
02:49:45,750 --> 02:49:43,359
corroborative

3929
02:49:47,269 --> 02:49:45,760
data in terms of things like radar

3930
02:49:50,150 --> 02:49:47,279
absolutely but

3931
02:49:54,790 --> 02:49:53,110
they've they've played it's like imagine

3932
02:49:55,830 --> 02:49:54,800
this as a game of

3933
02:49:58,550 --> 02:49:55,840
poker

3934
02:50:00,870 --> 02:49:58,560
you play your strongest hand

3935
02:50:03,349 --> 02:50:00,880
and and the people playing this people

3936
02:50:05,190 --> 02:50:03,359
sitting at this table right now

3937
02:50:07,349 --> 02:50:05,200
they believe rightly or wrongly that

3938
02:50:09,750 --> 02:50:07,359
their strongest hand

3939
02:50:11,590 --> 02:50:09,760
is is those military cases yeah

3940
02:50:14,469 --> 02:50:11,600
eventually you you

3941
02:50:16,550 --> 02:50:14,479
have to widen the lane as you you put it

3942
02:50:19,190 --> 02:50:16,560
i i think that's a good

3943
02:50:22,469 --> 02:50:19,200
good phraseology but but for the time

3944
02:50:24,790 --> 02:50:22,479
being they're just very narrowly focused

3945
02:50:26,870 --> 02:50:24,800
on on that because they know that's the

3946
02:50:29,110 --> 02:50:26,880
way to get the attention

3947
02:50:30,710 --> 02:50:29,120
of the armed services committee and the

3948
02:50:33,510 --> 02:50:30,720
intelligence committee

3949
02:50:35,670 --> 02:50:33,520
do you anticipate uh and i know that we

3950
02:50:38,469 --> 02:50:35,680
do this every single year nick you've

3951
02:50:40,389 --> 02:50:38,479
been doing this for a very long time

3952
02:50:43,030 --> 02:50:40,399
next year is the year we didn't get it

3953
02:50:45,510 --> 02:50:43,040
this year but next year is the year

3954
02:50:47,750 --> 02:50:45,520
and the ufo community has been very

3955
02:50:48,469 --> 02:50:47,760
patient we'll wait another year we'll

3956
02:50:51,590 --> 02:50:48,479
wait

3957
02:50:54,790 --> 02:50:51,600
but this is the first time in history

3958
02:50:57,110 --> 02:50:54,800
uh where we are at a tangible point

3959
02:51:00,630 --> 02:50:57,120
right where we are we

3960
02:51:03,349 --> 02:51:00,640
this could be the year do you anticipate

3961
02:51:04,790 --> 02:51:03,359
something breaking loose here

3962
02:51:06,790 --> 02:51:04,800
you know i never like to make

3963
02:51:08,230 --> 02:51:06,800
predictions about disclosure

3964
02:51:10,870 --> 02:51:08,240
particularly with a

3965
02:51:12,469 --> 02:51:10,880
big d but i i would

3966
02:51:13,750 --> 02:51:12,479
go back to

3967
02:51:15,830 --> 02:51:13,760
our earlier

3968
02:51:18,630 --> 02:51:15,840
conversation and say look there's

3969
02:51:20,870 --> 02:51:18,640
nothing new about congressional hearings

3970
02:51:22,950 --> 02:51:20,880
we had those decades ago so

3971
02:51:24,870 --> 02:51:22,960
that's not the game changer the game

3972
02:51:27,429 --> 02:51:24,880
changer is the technology the game

3973
02:51:29,110 --> 02:51:27,439
changer is the fact that any moment if

3974
02:51:31,990 --> 02:51:29,120
there are

3975
02:51:35,269 --> 02:51:32,000
advanced civilizations on planets

3976
02:51:36,150 --> 02:51:35,279
orbiting nearby star systems any moment

3977
02:51:38,389 --> 02:51:36,160
now

3978
02:51:39,429 --> 02:51:38,399
we might actually discover through

3979
02:51:42,630 --> 02:51:39,439
science

3980
02:51:45,590 --> 02:51:42,640
uh repeatable evidence of of that and at

3981
02:51:48,150 --> 02:51:45,600
that point the conversation's

3982
02:51:50,150 --> 02:51:48,160
over or at least one conversation's over

3983
02:51:51,990 --> 02:51:50,160
another begins so

3984
02:51:54,389 --> 02:51:52,000
i i don't want to make a prediction but

3985
02:51:57,190 --> 02:51:54,399
i think i go back to my phrase that for

3986
02:52:00,230 --> 02:51:57,200
the first time in human history we now

3987
02:52:02,309 --> 02:52:00,240
have the tools perhaps in our hands to

3988
02:52:04,150 --> 02:52:02,319
make those discoveries

3989
02:52:04,870 --> 02:52:04,160
one one last question then i'll let you

3990
02:52:06,230 --> 02:52:04,880
go

3991
02:52:08,150 --> 02:52:06,240
um

3992
02:52:10,870 --> 02:52:08,160
so you can take your time we've got five

3993
02:52:12,070 --> 02:52:10,880
minutes uh before the end of the show um

3994
02:52:12,950 --> 02:52:12,080
is that

3995
02:52:17,990 --> 02:52:12,960
you

3996
02:52:22,150 --> 02:52:18,000
uh since december of 2017

3997
02:52:24,469 --> 02:52:22,160
uh you personally have been a part of uh

3998
02:52:27,030 --> 02:52:24,479
the media efforts out there and i'm

3999
02:52:30,630 --> 02:52:27,040
talking specifically about fox and cnn

4000
02:52:32,230 --> 02:52:30,640
and msnbc and the bbc uh you've been

4001
02:52:34,790 --> 02:52:32,240
part of that

4002
02:52:37,349 --> 02:52:34,800
uh media coverage along with you know

4003
02:52:41,110 --> 02:52:37,359
fraver and elizondo and others

4004
02:52:42,870 --> 02:52:41,120
but uh the last six months or so

4005
02:52:44,950 --> 02:52:42,880
it's it's slowed down quite a bit

4006
02:52:47,110 --> 02:52:44,960
compared to what we've had for the last

4007
02:52:50,790 --> 02:52:47,120
three and a half four years

4008
02:52:51,670 --> 02:52:50,800
um since december of 2017 in ttsa

4009
02:52:54,230 --> 02:52:51,680
um

4010
02:52:56,950 --> 02:52:54,240
what what's causing that and do you feel

4011
02:52:58,469 --> 02:52:56,960
that the media has pulled back a little

4012
02:53:00,230 --> 02:52:58,479
bit

4013
02:53:01,750 --> 02:53:00,240
well i think there's just such a lot of

4014
02:53:03,110 --> 02:53:01,760
other stuff

4015
02:53:06,630 --> 02:53:03,120
going on

4016
02:53:08,790 --> 02:53:06,640
you know whether whether it's ukraine or

4017
02:53:11,910 --> 02:53:08,800
monkey parks or or

4018
02:53:14,710 --> 02:53:11,920
inflation or whatever it is that that

4019
02:53:16,710 --> 02:53:14,720
there's a certain degree of there comes

4020
02:53:18,630 --> 02:53:16,720
a point where it's like yeah ufos yeah

4021
02:53:20,710 --> 02:53:18,640
we've we've done that in a sense it's

4022
02:53:22,870 --> 02:53:20,720
good news it's like when people get

4023
02:53:25,190 --> 02:53:22,880
tired of this it proves that it's almost

4024
02:53:28,150 --> 02:53:25,200
entered now the mainstream it it has

4025
02:53:30,870 --> 02:53:28,160
fully transitioned from fringe to

4026
02:53:31,590 --> 02:53:30,880
mainstream i mean yeah sure i i do a lot

4027
02:53:37,349 --> 02:53:31,600
of

4028
02:53:39,590 --> 02:53:37,359
go-to people for this i see my role now

4029
02:53:41,590 --> 02:53:39,600
as more of a communicator

4030
02:53:44,389 --> 02:53:41,600
than a researcher or an investigator now

4031
02:53:46,150 --> 02:53:44,399
i'm outside of government um i mean one

4032
02:53:49,190 --> 02:53:46,160
one of the fun things that i do for

4033
02:53:52,230 --> 02:53:49,200
example is is not just ancient aliens

4034
02:53:54,630 --> 02:53:52,240
the tv show but ancient aliens live the

4035
02:53:56,389 --> 02:53:54,640
live events that that we've just started

4036
02:53:58,550 --> 02:53:56,399
doing

4037
02:53:59,750 --> 02:53:58,560
four of them already and i

4038
02:54:19,030 --> 02:53:59,760
i

4039
02:54:21,030 --> 02:54:19,040
you know a thousand two thousand people

4040
02:54:23,349 --> 02:54:21,040
each evening whatever having a

4041
02:54:25,750 --> 02:54:23,359
conversation um

4042
02:54:27,590 --> 02:54:25,760
you know the the the first round of

4043
02:54:29,670 --> 02:54:27,600
events that we did it was giorgio

4044
02:54:32,630 --> 02:54:29,680
sucralos myself

4045
02:54:35,269 --> 02:54:32,640
william henry david childress travis

4046
02:54:38,790 --> 02:54:35,279
taylor what have we found out since

4047
02:54:41,110 --> 02:54:38,800
since those first four ancient aliens

4048
02:54:43,830 --> 02:54:41,120
live events travis taylor had a guilty

4049
02:54:46,469 --> 02:54:43,840
little secret that that he was chief

4050
02:54:48,950 --> 02:54:46,479
scientist for the uap task force so this

4051
02:54:49,910 --> 02:54:48,960
is important this is this is like you

4052
02:54:52,950 --> 02:54:49,920
know

4053
02:54:55,429 --> 02:54:52,960
it goes back to that line from the movie

4054
02:54:56,870 --> 02:54:55,439
contact who do we tell now we we tell

4055
02:54:58,710 --> 02:54:56,880
everyone and that's what we're trying to

4056
02:55:01,670 --> 02:54:58,720
do whether it's through ancient aliens

4057
02:55:04,230 --> 02:55:01,680
live whether it's through through tucker

4058
02:55:06,230 --> 02:55:04,240
carlson tonight any of the other tv

4059
02:55:08,469 --> 02:55:06,240
things that i do and it's not look it's

4060
02:55:10,070 --> 02:55:08,479
not republican or democrat

4061
02:55:12,790 --> 02:55:10,080
you've only got to look at congress to

4062
02:55:15,750 --> 02:55:12,800
see that it's marco rubio and kirsten

4063
02:55:18,469 --> 02:55:15,760
gillibrand in these divided political

4064
02:55:22,389 --> 02:55:18,479
times isn't it interesting and and great

4065
02:55:25,990 --> 02:55:22,399
that ufos uap is is

4066
02:55:28,870 --> 02:55:26,000
bipartisan yeah non-partisan yeah

4067
02:55:30,630 --> 02:55:28,880
non-by design yeah non-partisan i i i

4068
02:55:33,269 --> 02:55:30,640
have found that very

4069
02:55:35,030 --> 02:55:33,279
very interesting and and here's the

4070
02:55:37,030 --> 02:55:35,040
other thing that's

4071
02:55:39,110 --> 02:55:37,040
i don't do politics on the show but i'll

4072
02:55:41,510 --> 02:55:39,120
do the conspiracy of politics every

4073
02:55:43,349 --> 02:55:41,520
night and here's the interesting thing

4074
02:55:44,469 --> 02:55:43,359
i'm wondering

4075
02:55:46,309 --> 02:55:44,479
if

4076
02:55:49,030 --> 02:55:46,319
there will be candidates that were

4077
02:55:52,630 --> 02:55:49,040
coming up on an election year

4078
02:55:55,030 --> 02:55:52,640
that are going to tap into the ufo vote

4079
02:55:59,990 --> 02:55:57,830
and i i think that that is one of the

4080
02:56:02,950 --> 02:56:00,000
turning points in history

4081
02:56:04,870 --> 02:56:02,960
that the ufo vote could be something

4082
02:56:06,950 --> 02:56:04,880
that could decide some of the elections

4083
02:56:09,190 --> 02:56:06,960
coming up it's an interesting thing

4084
02:56:10,790 --> 02:56:09,200
politicians used to regard this as like

4085
02:56:13,269 --> 02:56:10,800
the third rail i don't want to touch

4086
02:56:15,349 --> 02:56:13,279
ufos but now

4087
02:56:17,110 --> 02:56:15,359
whether it's rubio or gillibrand or

4088
02:56:20,790 --> 02:56:17,120
whatever people are touching it and it's

4089
02:56:23,190 --> 02:56:20,800
not it's not adversely affecting them so

4090
02:56:25,349 --> 02:56:23,200
i i say yeah bring it on let these

4091
02:56:28,070 --> 02:56:25,359
people step up to the plate and ramp it

4092
02:56:30,150 --> 02:56:28,080
up even more and let somebody say i'm

4093
02:56:32,389 --> 02:56:30,160
gonna be the disclosure candidate i

4094
02:56:34,630 --> 02:56:32,399
think that's right nick thank you so

4095
02:56:37,190 --> 02:56:34,640
much man let's not wait a year

4096
02:56:39,110 --> 02:56:37,200
okay let's not wait a year

4097
02:56:41,750 --> 02:56:39,120
go do your thing tonight thank you so

4098
02:56:44,070 --> 02:56:41,760
much this was a perfect show and uh

4099
02:56:45,750 --> 02:56:44,080
great way to end it uh thank you so much

4100
02:56:47,990 --> 02:56:45,760
nick behave and be well where can

4101
02:56:51,269 --> 02:56:48,000
everybody reach out to you

4102
02:56:54,230 --> 02:56:51,279
uh my website is nickpope.net the social

4103
02:56:58,070 --> 02:56:54,240
media platform on which i'm most active

4104
02:56:59,750 --> 02:56:58,080
is twitter where i am nick pope mod for

4105
02:57:00,870 --> 02:56:59,760
ministry of defense

4106
02:57:02,630 --> 02:57:00,880
mod

4107
02:57:04,150 --> 02:57:02,640
thank you so much nick behave and be

4108
02:57:06,389 --> 02:57:04,160
well and

4109
02:57:09,830 --> 02:57:06,399
later on this week thank you so much

4110
02:57:12,790 --> 02:57:09,840
okay bye now nick pope that was a

4111
02:57:16,309 --> 02:57:12,800
perfect conversation and a perfect show

4112
02:57:17,750 --> 02:57:16,319
so much to uh unpack uh

4113
02:57:20,830 --> 02:57:17,760
and and the conversation we'll do that

4114
02:57:25,030 --> 02:57:20,840
tomorrow night on fader night but

4115
02:57:28,309 --> 02:57:25,040
wow and uh if we go back to

4116
02:57:32,150 --> 02:57:28,319
uh the opening of the show tonight with

4117
02:57:33,910 --> 02:57:32,160
the calvine uh uh photograph

4118
02:57:36,790 --> 02:57:33,920
and showing

4119
02:57:40,070 --> 02:57:36,800
the illustration the recreation and the

4120
02:57:43,030 --> 02:57:40,080
actual photograph which nick said was a

4121
02:57:45,990 --> 02:57:43,040
photocopy of a copy of the original

4122
02:57:47,429 --> 02:57:46,000
photograph wasn't that interesting and

4123
02:57:50,630 --> 02:57:47,439
that

4124
02:57:54,550 --> 02:57:50,640
it may be part of uh

4125
02:57:56,309 --> 02:57:54,560
the uap task force and that uh

4126
02:57:57,990 --> 02:57:56,319
that briefing packet

4127
02:58:00,870 --> 02:57:58,000
isn't that interesting lots of other

4128
02:58:03,349 --> 02:58:00,880
things discussed tonight and uh i just

4129
02:58:04,550 --> 02:58:03,359
want to thank nick and the chat room was

4130
02:58:06,870 --> 02:58:04,560
totally

4131
02:58:08,070 --> 02:58:06,880
on fire what what a great night now

4132
02:58:10,550 --> 02:58:08,080
tomorrow night

4133
02:58:13,269 --> 02:58:10,560
is going to oh oh oh oh

4134
02:58:17,990 --> 02:58:13,279
um his take though

4135
02:58:20,070 --> 02:58:18,000
on uh the james webb and backing up uh

4136
02:58:22,870 --> 02:58:20,080
uh that part of the conversation

4137
02:58:23,990 --> 02:58:22,880
which was avi loeb and the galileo

4138
02:58:26,469 --> 02:58:24,000
project

4139
02:58:29,110 --> 02:58:26,479
um i can't wait to hear

4140
02:58:31,429 --> 02:58:29,120
uh the feedback in the comments uh not

4141
02:58:32,469 --> 02:58:31,439
only in social media but tomorrow night

4142
02:58:35,670 --> 02:58:32,479
on the show

4143
02:58:37,349 --> 02:58:35,680
uh a bunch of really really great points

4144
02:58:39,750 --> 02:58:37,359
that was a great conversation tonight

4145
02:58:41,110 --> 02:58:39,760
nick thank you so much

4146
02:58:43,349 --> 02:58:41,120
and beer

4147
02:58:46,469 --> 02:58:43,359
so there you go i am your host jimmy

4148
02:58:48,630 --> 02:58:46,479
church i am going to get out of here and

4149
02:58:51,910 --> 02:58:48,640
uh tomorrow night is fader night with

4150
02:58:53,990 --> 02:58:51,920
open lines all night long what a perfect

4151
02:58:55,750 --> 02:58:54,000
night on the show man that just that

4152
02:58:57,269 --> 02:58:55,760
just made my night now i'm gonna go

4153
02:58:59,670 --> 02:58:57,279
drink some

4154
02:59:01,349 --> 02:58:59,680
some red stripe

4155
02:59:03,750 --> 02:59:01,359
yeah that's right

4156
02:59:05,590 --> 02:59:03,760
fade to black is produced by hill j palm

4157
02:59:07,590 --> 02:59:05,600
renee dennis and kevin

4158
02:59:09,910 --> 02:59:07,600
announcers are steve harter gene vitoa

4159
02:59:11,030 --> 02:59:09,920
mark t kovar webmasters drew the geek

4160
02:59:13,190 --> 02:59:11,040
music

4161
02:59:15,190 --> 02:59:13,200
doug aldridge intro space boy space

4162
02:59:17,510 --> 02:59:15,200
spaceboymusic.com

4163
02:59:18,710 --> 02:59:17,520
fade to black is produced by kjcr for

4164
02:59:20,670 --> 02:59:18,720
the game changer network and this

4165
02:59:23,110 --> 02:59:20,680
broadcast owned a copyrighted

4166
02:59:24,950 --> 02:59:23,120
2022 by fade to black and the game

4167
02:59:27,110 --> 02:59:24,960
changer networking they cannot be

4168
02:59:29,110 --> 02:59:27,120
rebroadcast downloaded copied or used

4169
02:59:30,630 --> 02:59:29,120
anywhere in the known universe without

4170
02:59:31,990 --> 02:59:30,640
written permission from fade to black of

4171
02:59:33,190 --> 02:59:32,000
the game changer network i'm your host

4172
02:59:34,870 --> 02:59:33,200
jimmy church

4173
02:59:36,790 --> 02:59:34,880
until tomorrow night with fader night

4174
02:59:39,429 --> 02:59:36,800
hanging out with all of you open minds

4175
02:59:40,870 --> 02:59:39,439
all night long i want everybody to be

4176
02:59:43,840 --> 02:59:40,880
safe

4177
02:59:58,730 --> 02:59:43,850
go backly taffy